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We'll Always Have Tom Paris (LDS S2 E03)

Published on: 16th January, 2024

We'll Always Have Tom Paris (LDS S2 E03) first aired on August 26, 2021, written by M. Willis, and directed by Bob Suarez

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Transcript
Khaki:

Ahoy, fellow commemorative plate

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Kay: And

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welcome aboard the Joy of Trek, an acid

punk podcast exploring the seedy bars and

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dom jot tables of Star Trek, all of it.

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I'm Khaki.

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Khaki: I'm Kay,

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And crawling through the Jeffries

tubes is your chief engineer, Greg.

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Kay: Together, we're on a mission through

the Black Mountains of Star Trek to

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find the sexy bad boys in every pirate

outpost and the good in every episode.

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Khaki: And the libido posts.

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Kay: Because every episode must be

someone's favorite and it might as well be

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us!

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Khaki: favourite heirlooms and join us

as we prepare for a ramming speed into

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Kay: speed into the

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Khaki: Joy of Trek.

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Kay: Hold on to your family heirlooms

and prepare for ramming speed!

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Wow!

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Khaki: Hold on to them and the

heirlooms and not the jewels.

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Kay: At least it's the

elms and not the jewels.

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Oh, I think we're, I think

we're now officially completing

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our collection of every series

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Khaki: Is this the last one?

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Kay: Trek ever, ever made.

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Is this the last one?

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Yeah, this is Lower Decks, uh,

specifically Season 2, Episode 3.

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We'll always have Tom

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Khaki: Yes!

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Kay: First aired August

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Willis, directed by Bob Suarez, and

guest starring Robert Duncan McNeil,

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the other RDM, as Lieutenant Tom Paris.

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Khaki: other RDM.

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Ha ha ha!

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Lieutenant Tom Harris.

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Yes!

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They've this

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Kay: guess that's

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Khaki: one, there's the,

there's the crossover episode

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between lower decks and, uh,

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Kay: Strange New Worlds?

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Yeah?

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Khaki: I thought

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Kay: Mixing some timelines?

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It was very, very exciting, yeah.

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I guess...

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I mean, okay, between DS9 and Voyager

when they were on the air, for

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understandable reasons there wasn't

a lot of crossover, what with Voyager

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being stuck on the ascent of the

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Khaki: there's that, yes.

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Kay: but between Next Generation

and Deep Space Nine it was

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really quite conspicuous, the

distance between those shows.

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They very, very rarely had a crossover.

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Khaki: Yeah, I mean, later, after, uh,

Next Generation, uh, quit, of course, some

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of the actors, uh, got reassigned to DS9.

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Worf.

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Kay: Worf, oh,

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what a

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Khaki: uh, and, uh, and Brino.

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Kay: Oh yeah, well, Brino

went straight there.

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God, I love Brino.

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so this episode was recommended to us

by our very own chief engineer, who

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recorded his letter of recommendation

and you can send us your own, by the

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way, if you have an episode in mind.

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Khaki: We would love to hear from

you, love to hear why it is an

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episode that has a particular...

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It doesn't have to be a fantastic episode

or a great episode, but we want to

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know why it is an episode that touches

you or moves you in some sort of way.

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Kay: you in some sort of way.

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Yeah.

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so that's joyoftrack.

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com slash links.

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You can find all the links there,

including to our Patreon, where we've

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got some fun little content as well.

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But so, I'm stalling a little bit.

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I really want to hear what Greg

has to say about this episode.

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Khaki: can you, uh, tell us, uh, your,

uh, choice, reasons for the choices

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for this episode, Chief Tenterhooks.

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Greg: There's a couple different reasons

I could have chosen this episode.

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I could have chosen it because of the

return of Tom Paris, and it's so great

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to see Robert Duncan McNeil again.

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I could have chosen it

because of the Tendi arc.

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I could have chosen it because

it's Shaxx, and I love Fred

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Atatashor, he's a fantastic

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voice actor who's been in so much.

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I could have done it for a lot of but

maybe I just chose this because...

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I, too, know the pain of going

through a lot of effort and struggle

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for your cat only for them to

say, hey, I just want the box.

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Khaki: I think every cat owner

can, uh, sympathize with that one.

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Kay: Because in this episode,

Ensign Mariner and Tendi of the

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USS Cerritos, which is the, uh, the

star of Star Trek Lower Decks, for

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those who may not be familiar with

it, an animated comedy series, That

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is essentially like this podcast,

but then like a lot better and with

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Khaki: with more budget and animation.

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Kay: and you know more

talented people involved

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Khaki: better voice

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Kay: yeah.

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actual stories and

thoughts that go into it.

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But anyway, Mariner and Tendi team up from

her mission to retrieve an Airloom for Dr.

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Tiana.

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Meanwhile, the Cerritos is visited

by Lieutenant Tom Paris, much

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to the excitement of Boimler,

who is hoping to meet him.

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while all this happens, Rutherford

is haunted by the mystery

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surrounding the reappearance of a

familiar presence on the Cerritos.

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Ooh.

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Three plots.

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For an animated series with a, with

a running time of like 22 minutes.

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Khaki: that's, it felt much longer.

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It's like, definitely not like

a brief 20 minute segment.

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Because yeah, because they

squeezed a lot of content in.

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Kay: I had trouble like, writing notes.

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Cause like, you, you don't spend a lot of

time in a scene and get to see background

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Khaki: Oh yes, very true.

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Kay: blink and you'll miss it.

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Write something down and

you'll miss the next thing.

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The, the tempo is amazing on this show.

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Khaki: you'll miss the next thing.

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The technical is amazing Boimler, who

is back on the Cerrito, apparently,

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after having been away, I don't, um,

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Kay: yeah.

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Khaki: some of this show,

but definitely not all of it.

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Kay: Well, he surfed for a little bit on

the USS Titan under Captain William Riker.

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Oh, right, yeah.

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Abandoning the rest of,

um, shift are they again?

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Are they made a shift?

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nobody knows it better

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than beta shift.

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Kay: Thanks Steve.

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Yes, he's the purple haired enson and,

and and member of this gang of four.

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You've got Enson, Beckett, Mariner,

who turns out to be secretly

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the daughter of the captain.

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Yeah.

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Brad Boyer.

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uh,

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a

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Khaki: mean, that's not very

secret, but that comes out in like

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the first episode, doesn't it?

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True.

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Yeah.

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Kay: we have, uh, Brad Edward,

it's such a great name.

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his friend Samantha Rutherford.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Who's the cyborg engineer,

or should say cyber.

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Genetically, uh, uh, enhanced engineer.

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and.

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Tendi, as it turns out, Ensign Devana

Tendi, the Orion science officer,

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who's trying very, very hard indeed.

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Khaki: I mean, this opening scene

where, first of all, first Boer,

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we discovered that he's, there's

some issues with clearance.

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So security's been tightened

up and apparently his, uh.

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Return to the roster is not

completely gone properly, because

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Computer, pupusa, hot.

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User not recognized.

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It's Ensign Boimler.

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Come on.

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User not recognized.

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Can you, like, hurry it up?

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Khaki: he, he takes this as a personal

insult from the ship, almost, as

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we discover later in the episode.

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Kay: Yeah!

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This is one of those comedy tropes, where

someone has an easily solvable problem,

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that for inexplicable reasons they

refuse to solve, and so suffer through,

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and you get this comedy of errors.

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I'm not sure whether that's going to

be my, my warp core, though, because

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I kinda like it, and I can relate as

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Khaki: I mean, let see.

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Oh yeah, we completely forgot

about dumping the Warp Corps.

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I've got enough.

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Um,

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I say we eject the warp core!

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Khaki: Yeah, I mean, I've got like,

maybe a few little things, In one

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of the scenes where this problem

comes, to light, when he's fighting,

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he can't get into the turbolift.

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Kay: Right, yeah.

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Khaki: But he can get

into the Jefferies tube.

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Because of course, you know, Titan

security doesn't involve Jefferies tubes.

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You can just, like, open one up

and get to anywhere on the ship.

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I mean, that's, that's like,

and there's like a scene that

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comes up very early on where...

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the security officer, I think, he

orders a hot dog with kiwi ketchup,

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Computer, ketchup, spicy kiwi.

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Khaki: and everybody is, like, horrified,

and they're like, Ah, you don't mess

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with ketchup, and it's like, I am sorry,

that is exactly what you do with ketchup.

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There is a, there is

a reason it is called.

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Tomato ketchup, because originally,

ketchup was made from mushrooms.

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Kay: Wait,

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Khaki: Ketchup is the kind of sauce, it's

like the process and the sauce, and like,

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that's why tomato ketchup is a thing,

it's like, these days it's more or less

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synonymous with tomato ketchup, if you say

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Kay: Okay, you're blowing my mind.

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Khaki: but yes, originally,

ketchup was, mushrooms.

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And you can make any sauce

from pretty much anything.

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You can make ketchup from, it's

like salsa, you know, you can have

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Kay: Oh yeah, or like consomme.

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Like, the worst cooking video that

I've ever seen, where an enthusiastic

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woman explains that consomme

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is a clear, rich soup traditionally

made with beef or chicken, but

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you can make it with just about

anything, including my favorite

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Kay: and this is where I pause the

video, and then the person that I show it

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Khaki: you has to guess what it is.

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Yeah,

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Kay: a million dollars

if you guess it right.

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You get three guesses.

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Second guess, 10, 000.

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Third guess, 20 bucks

from my pocket right now.

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And they never get it

because what this woman says,

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including my favorite consomme,

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Doritos.

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Kay: Doritos.

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But we're not doing Doritos today.

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We're doing the seri Hold on.

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Hold on.

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No, I'm stuck on ketchup.

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What, what's then the defining

characteristic of like mushroom ketchup?

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Khaki: I mean, guess it's, guess

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Kay: like what makes a

so a sauce, a ketchup?

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Khaki: That's a good question,

I never looked into that.

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But it's, yeah, definitely

ketchup used to be mushrooms.

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And then it later, yeah,

that's why tomato ketchup,

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Kay: So

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you've got tomato vinegar, bit of sugar.

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Khaki: Yeah.

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I mean, you can

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Kay: Like those are the basic

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Khaki: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then you can just like,

you can go nuts, you know?

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You can then you can go like, oh,

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Kay: Oh

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Khaki: curries curry, curry sauce.

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Like, like curry gu, you know,

that's just like tomato ketchup

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with curry powder in it,

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Kay: Okay, so what you're saying is

that nothing means anything and like

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there are no definite boundaries

and just anything can be anything.

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Khaki: means anything, I mean, like I

said, like, you can make a salsa with

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different ingredients, and you can

make ketchup with different things.

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Kay: potato ketchup?

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Khaki: You can make a ketchup is

probably like a mostly liquid condiment.

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Kay: this table be ketchup?

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Khaki: Can turn it into

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Kay: Microphone ketchup?

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Yeah!

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Now

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Khaki: And now we're getting into

will it blend territory, which is...

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Kay: Will It Ketchup?

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Khaki: Will it

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Kay: Okay, But that was your warp

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Khaki: well, I mean,

that's, I mean, that was,

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Kay: Yeah, no,

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Khaki: is a segment that we used to

do, so I, I, I kind of have to like,

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like, if I have to critique something

or anything, then that's about the

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only thing that I can, uh, seriously,

try to, uh, pick on my fingers at.

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Kay: I'm trying to be my, warp core.

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Just solve the problem.

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Talk to

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someone.

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Why are you tolerating these

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Khaki: gets told this, like,

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Captain Proton himself:

Get Billups to put you

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back in the system.

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Khaki: And, yeah, like, go to the sysadmin

and he'll go like, oh, yeah, that's right.

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I reactivated your account, but I didn't

flag the authorizations or something.

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Kay: Yes.

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Khaki: Or the other way around, you

know, like, I put all the authorizations

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back on your account, but I didn't.

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Activate it.

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It's like something stupid

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Kay: There's always a little gap like

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Khaki: Yes.

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Okay, back to, you say, try hard.

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And this feeds straight back

into my theory that everybody

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in Starfleet is overachievers.

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Oh yeah, there's

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Kay: Oh yeah.

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There's 20% work.

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AOL in the

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Khaki: Yeah.

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And then, yeah, because our Orion,

uh, security engineer, Tenli?

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Kay: and ee tendee

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Khaki: 10 D.

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Kay: and she's a science officer her

blue uniform sitting there munching her

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kibble.

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Khaki: she's like, oh, I have to

do this, and I have to do that,

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and like, all these things I have

to do before my shifts start.

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And I'm like, no, that's stuff that

you do for work, that's on your shift.

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But no, no, she has to

do them before her shift.

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Because she's been passed up for a

promotion by the doctor, and she needs

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to work twice as hard now, even more so.

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Kay: Yep, and apparently somebody

else was given a promotion, but

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because they had the opportunity

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Khaki: Ensign, Ens Esch,

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Kay: Ah, cool name.

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Hopefully named after the

fantastic Dutch artist.

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Yeah.

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Don't your parents have

an original etching by

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Khaki: Uh, yes, it's an original print.

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Kay: Yeah.

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And I think you told me the

story that, uh, uh, your father

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actually met NC Asher, right?

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Khaki: Yes, at one point he asked if

he could come over to have a look at

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his work and maybe make some purchases.

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So he invited them over to his house

and, uh, he showed them, uh, around a bit

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and, like, showed them a few of his work.

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And, my father, I think he

selected three or four works.

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And he was like, oh, I mean, you shouldn't

buy those, uh, the original prints, oh,

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they're way too expensive, get, just

get the copies, they're just as good.

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Kay: Yeah, that's fine.

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This

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Khaki: They're just as nice,

and they're much cheaper.

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Kay: real artist.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, in fact, the digital prints are,

they're kind of better, like, they...

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Khaki: Right, I think my dad was in his

early 20s at the time, so, I mean, like,

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he was, he had a good eye for art, yes.

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Kay: Speaking of heirlooms, right?

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Khaki: Right, yes, and so, I

think there were three or four?

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they sold all but one, because some

of them were starting to deteriorate.

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Kay: Oh,

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Khaki: the material, the color

was starting to fade and stuff.

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So better to sell them now that,

well, when they're going still good.

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The one that they still

have left is Day and Night.

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The one with the birds

flying over the fields.

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Kay: Oh, I know that.

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Oh, God.

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I, I, I remember not, not to suddenly

become an art appreciation podcast,

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but for those of you who aren't

familiar, MC Escher is known for, making

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fantastically like mathematically, uh,

celebratory drawings, sometimes of.

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like organic tile patterns that

are, that are repeating, but also

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morph into different animals.

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They're very familiar.

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That's one of these

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Khaki: Yes.

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Kay: but also impossible architecture.

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he went to visit the Alhambra,

fantastic mosque in Spain.

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Khaki: went to visit was that Spain?

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Oh, sorry.

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I thought for some reason

I would have said Istanbul.

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But, yeah,

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Kay: it's a, it's a European mosque

from, uh, the Ottoman period.

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Chief, can I get a quick fact check on

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Yes, that's correct.

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The Alhambra is a Spanish mosque.

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There are some signs that it may

have been built on top of Romans.

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settlements as well.

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But that's not conclusive either.

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There's just a skull that seems to date.

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At that time.

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found in there, but yes, Spanish mosque.

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Kay: Thank you.

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and he, he was just blown away by

these, these beautiful tile works.

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And he lamented like how sad it was for,

the world of art that these amazing Muslim

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artists were forbidden by their faith.

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from drawing living things.

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And like, how much more beautiful, in

his perspective, right, as a Dutch non

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Muslim person, the Alhambra could have

been if they were allowed to draw animals.

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And that's what he really wanted to do.

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And so he made these amazing,

sort of interlocking animals.

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Really, really fantastic stuff.

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Khaki: So, yeah, Star Trek,

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Kay: um, Boimler's trying to order

food, there's a line behind him

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while he's trying to just get

food, hot, anything, pleading

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with the

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Khaki: he ends up in the bonsai.

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Kay: bonsai tree that you see him

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Khaki: Yeah, we have the security

officer, I think it is, I'm not

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entirely sure the senior management

roles are on board the ship.

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I'll help

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Kay: them, and I'll tell you,

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Khaki: I'll tell you.

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It's the guy who died.

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Kay: Ah, the big Bajoran

buff bear, Shaxx, Lieutenant

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Khaki: Shaxx.

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yes.

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Shaxs is alive?

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- Yeah, guess so.

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Bridge officers are always

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coming back from the dead.

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- You gonna finish that muffin?

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- But how?

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Khaki: I thought he was dead.

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I mean, he died saving me.

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he's really concerned about

how concerned that is.

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But, yes, apparently

you're not allowed to ask.

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Apparently it's a social faux pas.

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Like, Bridge Crew always comes back.

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Kay: know.

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This is such a lampshade.

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Khaki: I know.

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Such a lampshade.

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Kay: Uh, yes!

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Ooh, ooh!

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Including, like, one of them,

Reconstructed by the Borg.

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I think William Shatner wrote a follow

up novel to Kirk's death in Generations,

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where he was secretly reconstructed

and revived by the Borg so he wouldn't

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have to have died like a chump.

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Khaki: Yeah, and then

the other ones are...

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Kay: have never played that role.

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He had the specific demand when he was

invited to play a that he would die

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gloriously and not like some sucker.

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Khaki: Yeah!

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So, yes, there's like, okay, uh, being

resuscitated from a transport buffer, evil

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universe copy, uh, uh, transfer, uh...

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Kay: good in his sleeveless tunic.

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Khaki: seamless, too, Nathan.

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I mean, there's a few

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Kay: Sun from a future timeline.

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Right.

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Uh, referencing Tasha Yar, who came

back as Scylla, her own daughter.

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Khaki: uh...

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Bad clone!

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Yes.

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Kay: Bad clones.

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Khaki: huge theme

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Kay: Actually, that's a

huge theme in this episode.

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not taking the direct path to a problem,

like neither giving up on the problem,

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nor actually solving it the way that

one ought to, because you're trying

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to avoid something about the direct

416

:

Khaki: Yeah.

417

:

There's

418

:

Kay: something that's uh,

objectionable about it.

419

:

Khaki: uh, after the opening credits, uh,

420

:

After We get, yes, it's

just like, it's just stupid.

421

:

It's like,

422

:

Kay: Okay.

423

:

Oh!

424

:

Khaki: bouncing off the shields, uh, New

425

:

Kay: new segment.

426

:

New segment.

427

:

We don't know what it's called

yet, but what's your favorite

428

:

bit of the opening credit?

429

:

It's not a game that we

can play with very many

430

:

Khaki: we can play with

431

:

Kay: so we have like, stellar

matter being sucked into the sun.

432

:

No, it's

433

:

Khaki: black

434

:

Kay: A black hole.

435

:

Pardon me?

436

:

Khaki: I like, cause I, that's

what, cause I was gonna say,

437

:

that's the one thing that I love.

438

:

Cause like a year or two ago,

maybe three by now, that's always

439

:

hard to, uh, definitely not

in the before times, I think.

440

:

There was a, some science was done,

and they actually produced a...

441

:

Graphical render of what in Black

Hole would actually look like.

442

:

Kay: Oh, I think you're talking about,

that science was integrated in the

443

:

Christopher Nolan film Interstellar

444

:

Khaki: Oh, yeah, you're right.

445

:

In 2014.

446

:

Right.

447

:

That long?

448

:

Wow.

449

:

Yes.

450

:

Okay.

451

:

Kay: so in the before

452

:

Khaki: Yeah, definitely in the

453

:

Kay: we're in the, in the time zones.

454

:

Oh, no, correct me on that chief.

455

:

Somewhat confused.

456

:

What I'm correcting you on?

457

:

Yes.

458

:

Interstellar came out in 2014.

459

:

So yes, in the before times I, is

that what I'm correcting you on?

460

:

Kay: Yeah, thank you.

461

:

Whoa,

462

:

Khaki: Oh, right.

463

:

No, I was, I was thinking about

464

:

Kay: thing missing.

465

:

half of it should be red and

half of it should be blue.

466

:

Because of redshift, because

the thing is spinning.

467

:

And at such a speed

468

:

Khaki: spinning

469

:

Kay: photons from one side are like

significantly slowed down versus

470

:

the other side are accelerated.

471

:

Uh, it was something that was

omitted from the film just so it

472

:

wouldn't be even more complicated.

473

:

Khaki: wouldn't be even more complicated.

474

:

There's like, there's the asteroid

bouncing, there's the clipping

475

:

the ice rod, which is fantastic.

476

:

There's the being sucked on

by the space alien who's like

477

:

nursing from the warp nacelles.

478

:

Kay: alien, like guiltily looks at

the camera, which is my favourite bit.

479

:

Khaki: I think that in fact,

480

:

Kay: space babble,

481

:

Khaki: my favorite is that one.

482

:

There's like, they're fighting the

Borg cube and they get, take one

483

:

shot, which is perfectly hit on the

484

:

Kay: they nope out!

485

:

They

486

:

Khaki: Turntail, and like, Bravely

Bold Sir Robin flew away from Wolf 359,

487

:

Kay: There's a Pakled ship here as well?

488

:

I just noticed it the other day as I

was just toward the end of, season four.

489

:

Every season, this battle gets worse.

490

:

Khaki: this

491

:

Kay: Pay attention, look, by

the time of season four, there's

492

:

the Star Trek IV whale probe

493

:

Khaki: in the air,

494

:

Kay: Uh, the Crystalline Entity

from Star Trek The Next Generation.

495

:

It just turns into more of a dumpster

496

:

Khaki: The more of

497

:

Kay: it's the war nelle

parasite that really?

498

:

Yeah,

499

:

Khaki: I don't even know

500

:

Kay: because it's the, it's not even,

I don't even know if it's guilty.

501

:

It's like, Hey, you want, you

502

:

want in on this action?

503

:

Yeah.

504

:

Khaki: on nacelle on the other side, yeah?

505

:

Kay: Like,

506

:

Khaki: So, after the break we get, I

guess what's the A plot of this, episode?

507

:

in here!

508

:

Khaki: where,

509

:

uh, the Doctor assigns, the

Ensign to go on a secret mission.

510

:

A

511

:

Kay: A personal mission.

512

:

It's a personal mission.

513

:

Do it fast.

514

:

Keep it private.

515

:

Because the ever grumpy Dr.

516

:

Tiana, uh, Caitian,

517

:

she's a cat like species,

just who usually have tails.

518

:

She

519

:

Khaki: She does, she does, she's

got a, we see in the very last

520

:

shot, she's got a short tail.

521

:

Either bobbed, or like, maybe she

had an accident, but yes, we do

522

:

see in one of the last shots in the

episode that she has a short tail.

523

:

Good eye.

524

:

Yep.

525

:

Kay: But yeah, she's,

she's scratching like

526

:

Khaki: She is scruffy, yeah.

527

:

Kay: itchy and jonesing.

528

:

II.

529

:

- Wow!

530

:

Dr.

531

:

T'Ana, I'm honored!

532

:

- Ah, don't be.

533

:

I just need

534

:

the lowest-ranking officer

535

:

who will ask

536

:

the fewest questions.

537

:

Khaki: And, she gets sent

out to get a family heirloom.

538

:

Kay: heirloom.

539

:

Khaki: And, at this point I tried

to call it, I wrote down, like,

540

:

okay, this is gonna be the, uh,

541

:

Kay: No, I haven't.

542

:

So

543

:

Khaki: before?

544

:

No I haven't, no.

545

:

Oh no!

546

:

So I wrote, I wrote down like,

it's gonna be a flea collar.

547

:

Uh, because for some reason,

like, you know, she can't, I don't

548

:

know, the way she, I know right?

549

:

It's whatever, it's like, it only

works, it's like, maybe, I don't know.

550

:

It's, that's what I wrote down from

the way she was scratching herself and

551

:

Kay: uh, I

552

:

Khaki: I thought like it's going

to be, it turns out it's going

553

:

to be flea collar and it's like,

couldn't you've just synthesized

554

:

some, yeah, but it's not the same.

555

:

It's like, it doesn't work like that.

556

:

It's come

557

:

Kay: my, uh, my granddaddy's old,

558

:

Khaki: yeah, I need to have the comfort.

559

:

Yeah, that's exactly that thing.

560

:

So I got that wrong.

561

:

I'll readily admit that.

562

:

Uh, it's, uh, yeah.

563

:

Kay: We see Bomer with his

commemorative voy plate.

564

:

Yes,

565

:

Captain Proton himself: Why

do you keep saying "Voy"?

566

:

That's what I call Voyager

567

:

to save time.

568

:

- It doesn't.

569

:

- Khaki: I'm like, oh yeah, it does.

570

:

It saves so much time.

571

:

Kay: who is apparently huge fan

of various like Star Trek, uh,

572

:

ships that we've seen before.

573

:

Khaki: no, just the Voyager.

574

:

I mean, like, he's got the entire...

575

:

Well, in this case, he's got this,

like, Carrying case, like one of the

576

:

ones that, people, like, who collect

miniatures or other things, like,

577

:

walk around with their preciouses.

578

:

K.

579

:

Just call me up by name next time.

580

:

Seriously.

581

:

Khaki: And this is the only

one that he hasn't signed yet.

582

:

He's got the entire bridge crew,

everyone has signed their plate for him.

583

:

Uh, and this is the last one.

584

:

Kay: all the way down to Kim?

585

:

That's

586

:

Khaki: yeah.

587

:

Captain Proton himself:

Paris is on a handshake tour,

588

:

telling Voystories for morale.

589

:

I heard Shaxs talking about it.

590

:

It doesn't bug you

591

:

that he's back from the dead?

592

:

Khaki: this is where we get told that,

uh, like, yeah, our bridge crew always

593

:

come back and they don't tell us why,

594

:

Kay: yeah, and everyone's fine with it.

595

:

Everyone's just accepted it, because

this is not the first time, nor

596

:

will it be the last, EXCEPT Sam.

597

:

Khaki: Here we go.

598

:

Future son from an alternate timeline,

Borg rebuilt him, uh, restored Katra,

599

:

Mirrorverse Universe switcheroo,

600

:

Captain Proton himself: he

was trapped in the Nexus.

601

:

- Nexus, time ribbon, same thing.

602

:

Point is, this stuff always

603

:

happens, even on Voy.

604

:

Wow.

605

:

That does actually

606

:

save a ton of time.

607

:

Kay: Voy.

608

:

That's what The Harry Kim that returns to

Earth is not same as all the other crew.

609

:

Voy

610

:

Khaki: Boy,

611

:

Kay: at one point gets split.

612

:

And only one version of the ship is

actually able to make it, but only

613

:

on the one side, Harry Kim, and I

think the baby Naomi Wildman had died,

614

:

and the survivors from the others

615

:

Khaki: Yeah.

616

:

Isn't that like some sort of, um,

black hole episode or something where

617

:

one of the, one of the two has to be

sacrificed in order for the other one to.

618

:

Uh,

619

:

Kay: I do believe it's Vidian's.

620

:

Chief?

621

:

Yes.

622

:

There's the DNS in the wonderful season.

623

:

Two episode.

624

:

Deadlocked and episode.

625

:

I really hope we get to

talk about at some point.

626

:

Because I have a lot of stuff

to say about that episode.

627

:

Kay: Thank you!

628

:

Khaki: turns out that, like, he

hasn't been solved, yeah, and he

629

:

tries to make for the Mithy Bridge.

630

:

So, exit Boimler and

631

:

Captain Proton himself: Mariner, hey!

632

:

Dr.

633

:

T'Ana just

634

:

gave me a super cool mission,

635

:

and I can take someone along.

636

:

You want to come with?

637

:

Khaki: She's got a mission and

she can take someone with her.

638

:

Yeah, we've never been

just the two of us girls.

639

:

Kay: Yeah.

640

:

Which I think is a little bit

of a call out by the writers

641

:

to themselves for a particular

pairing that they haven't made yet.

642

:

oh, we're gonna keep cutting back and

forth between these, uh, plotlines, so

643

:

maybe we should just stick with one.

644

:

How about we start with Boimler, who's

once again trying to wave at a door,

645

:

and then a, a, a hot jock engineering...

646

:

Crew member.

647

:

He

648

:

Khaki: Who kind of acts like he's

got a bit of a crush on Boimler

649

:

Kay: I know it's kind of cute.

650

:

Captain Proton himself:

Hey, maybe you aren't back

651

:

in the system.

652

:

I could carry you across

653

:

the threshold like a bride.

654

:

Kay: I'm like, yes, please.

655

:

Yeah, that'd be nice.

656

:

Khaki: But no, Boimler

is, uh, stubborn about it.

657

:

He doesn't want to he still tries to

sneak into the turbolift behind him,

658

:

but gets his fingers closed in the door.

659

:

Captain Proton himself: Aw.

660

:

Mm, mm, mm.

661

:

Khaki: And basically,

Boimler goes off on a...

662

:

Trip through the Jefferies Tubes.

663

:

several shots.

664

:

unsecured.

665

:

Several shots where he's like still

climbing, still climbing again.

666

:

Next time he is running through some sort

of conduit, which then gets lit up by

667

:

plasma when Tom Paris is invited on the

bridge to take the ship for a little spin.

668

:

Kay: I love how Tom Paris, like, he's, got

like some extra layers to his animation.

669

:

Like he gets a shadow in his jawline

670

:

where everybody else is two D

671

:

he's got the hot first contact

style uniforms, got a hip cocked

672

:

Captain Proton himself:

Mind if I give her a whirl?

673

:

I hear

674

:

- these Cali-class engines

675

:

can purr.

676

:

- Of course.

677

:

Just don't send us

678

:

to the Delta Quadrant.

679

:

All right.

680

:

Kay: but.

681

:

Bradford is

682

:

Khaki: Yes, there's no plausible

reason why anybody should be purging

683

:

the static right now, and like, uh,

684

:

Kay: don't know

685

:

Khaki: cyclotron,

686

:

Kay: And like a ferret in a cyclotron

that cost billions of euros to produce.

687

:

Khaki: Actually, you're

confusing two stories.

688

:

Uh, yes, there's two stories

involving the Large Hadron Collider.

689

:

One of them was where it got shut down by

a Martin, who got into the power coupling

690

:

and basically shut down the power exchange

station that fuels the, LHC, and the

691

:

Kay: at the cost of its own life.

692

:

Khaki: At the cost of its own life.

693

:

yes.

694

:

Kay: saving us from a terrible future in

which it might've created a singularity.

695

:

Yes.

696

:

Khaki: And the other one is where

two engineers didn't follow protocol.

697

:

And they, went into the tunnel.

698

:

But, again, they did basically the same

thing where one of them went through

699

:

the door and held the door open for the

other, and the other one didn't beep in.

700

:

So when the other, the first one left

and the second one remained in the tunnel

701

:

The systems showed the tunnels as being

clear, and they basically Exactly, so

702

:

according to the logs, there was no one

in the tunnel, so they started to fire

703

:

up the, LHC, which is not very good

704

:

Kay: for

705

:

you.

706

:

It's inimicable,

707

:

Khaki: because it's

708

:

Kay: I inimical to human life.

709

:

Khaki: even, even when you're not

standing in the path of the beam,

710

:

the amount of radiation down in

those tunnels can get very dangerous.

711

:

So this person is about a mile

away from the nearest door

712

:

Kay: and a

713

:

Khaki: and and and a few minutes

away from the like the the red lights

714

:

start flashing and they uh like you

know like the beam injection imminent

715

:

kind of thing uh so what he does he

runs to the nearest Service panel.

716

:

I mean, that's essentially what

717

:

Kay: uh, Boimler's doing,

718

:

Khaki: uh, Boimler's doing later on, like,

pull open the nearest service panel and

719

:

just start ripping out components until

something breaks and you trigger an alarm

720

:

somewhere, which is going to stop the, uh,

721

:

Gonna stop them from doing the beam

injection, which would have killed him.

722

:

So, yeah.

723

:

Kay: Well done.

724

:

Captain Proton himself:

Computer, emergency shutdown!

725

:

Authorization not recognized.

726

:

You don't need authorization

727

:

in an emergency!

728

:

Ah,

729

:

Kay: Good, good thinking on your

730

:

Khaki: Which is a very good,

like, yeah, I mean, very similar

731

:

to what's happening here.

732

:

It's like, he is, like, stuck

in the tube at some point and

733

:

the plate starts talking to him.

734

:

And it's like, oh, just open

the, just open the panel and,

735

:

just, like, start fixing things.

736

:

Captain Proton himself:

Then why am I gonna die

737

:

in a Jefferies tube?

738

:

You're not.

739

:

You are Brad Boimler.

740

:

And you've been

741

:

in tougher spots than this.

742

:

Now open up a panel and

743

:

start figuring out a solution.

744

:

Khaki: thank you, Tom.

745

:

Captain Proton himself:

I am a little worried

746

:

about the fumes in here though.

747

:

You know,

748

:

since you're talking to a plate.

749

:

I

750

:

Khaki: of Boimler Boimler.

751

:

His uniform is torn, he's wearing

part of it as a headband, and I'm

752

:

just like, okay, what happened?

753

:

Here, he's like, he's dunched,

smudged, and dirty, yeah.

754

:

Kay: it's just incredible, because

he's, he's also, like, extra tanned

755

:

so maybe he got, like, another

dose of, uh, of lighter radiation.

756

:

Khaki: guess, it's like, perhaps I'm

like, maybe, uh, there's like, I'm

757

:

only stuck here because of a glitch in

the computer, or maybe I'm the glitch,

758

:

and it's like, no, no, I'm gonna die,

759

:

Kay: get his plate signed.

760

:

Khaki: to get his plate signed.

761

:

Kay: without having to rely on anybody's

help to get through his own ship.

762

:

And so he,

763

:

you know

764

:

what?

765

:

I retract my warp core.

766

:

I can super relate to this.

767

:

Because like, once you've

committed to something stupid,

768

:

the only way forward is, like,

769

:

deeper.

770

:

Deeper.

771

:

Because now, like, the road back...

772

:

The price is just higher.

773

:

every time that I escalate,

the price is higher now.

774

:

Well, I wasn't prepared to admit a slight

sort of misjudgment, so I'm definitely not

775

:

prepared to admit an enormous misjudgment.

776

:

So the only thing that's, that's

available to me is even worse commitment.

777

:

Khaki: He tries to smash the plate,

778

:

Captain Proton himself: the plate!

779

:

Khaki: and in doing so, he jams it into

the panel, which causes him to come...

780

:

falling down the ceiling onto the bridge.

781

:

Kay: where he just starts screaming, and

782

:

Captain Proton himself: do exist!

783

:

- Kay: And he points at Tom Paris with this

mad face who immediately responds a on

784

:

And attacks him.

785

:

Khaki: him up, yeah.

786

:

Captain Proton himself: Tom

Paris, can I just say that

787

:

I'm a really huge fan

788

:

Kay: What?

789

:

Okay, so we're not the only ones who

are dealing with just, bad decisions?

790

:

No.

791

:

Hey, Tom,

792

:

like, what's up with you?

793

:

That you see someone falling from the

ceiling and you immediately attack.

794

:

It's such a very specific thing.

795

:

Khaki: got against Khazans?

796

:

I mean

797

:

Kay: maybe he's thinking back

to like, Basics, where Voyager,

798

:

Voy, pardon me, was invaded

799

:

Khaki: uh, by Khazans?

800

:

Yeah, I guess so.

801

:

If I saw someone exploding

out of the ceiling.

802

:

Dress like what?

803

:

It looks like, just an enemy of everyone

that I knew that tried to kill me on

804

:

multiple occasion screaming my name.

805

:

I mean, just alone.

806

:

If some random person just like.

807

:

Dropped out of my ceiling screen my name.

808

:

I would probably freak out too.

809

:

That's just like fight or flight

or freeze, type of a situation.

810

:

No, I would probably like freak

out and, and probably just freeze.

811

:

So like, I get it.

812

:

I get it.

813

:

But like I'm also not Tom

Perez, like amount of actions.

814

:

So I I'm with Tom here.

815

:

Sorry.

816

:

Kay: And it finally resolves with,

uh, brad, returning to his friends,

817

:

he's got a black eye, which is

way better than having a signed

818

:

Khaki: plate.

819

:

Although he still has an

opportunity, which he's now going

820

:

to, like, go up out on, and...

821

:

Captain Proton himself: Oh, no.

822

:

No, no, no,

823

:

no, no, no, no!

824

:

Computer, open the door!

825

:

Kay: The door won't open, and

Tendi says, no, that's not a door.

826

:

Khaki: It's just a wall

with a crack in it.

827

:

And he goes, ha, I

828

:

Kay: And he goes, ha, I

may be concussed, ha ha ha.

829

:

ha ha.

830

:

Concussions are not that funny.

831

:

Khaki: No, definitely not, no.

832

:

So yes, that's, that's Tom Paris arc.

833

:

Yes.

834

:

Uh,

835

:

Kay: Uh, which one do you want to do next?

836

:

Khaki: which one do you

want to the second B arc.

837

:

Well, the C arc, I

guess what that would be.

838

:

Which would be because that's

going to be a short one.

839

:

Kay: Yes.

840

:

Our

841

:

Khaki: cyborg engineer who

is trying to figure out what

842

:

happens to the security chief.

843

:

To our, the Bajoran chief.

844

:

At first he's like, he's standing there

talking to them and he's just about to

845

:

ask him when another ensign pipes up

846

:

Captain Proton himself: Didn't you die?

847

:

How the heck

848

:

did you come back to life?

849

:

Kay: And everyone's

850

:

Khaki: Yes.

851

:

Kay: and Shaxx is, is, is like literally

experiencing shock, and he's very

852

:

saddened by it, and Billups protects him.

853

:

Hey,

854

:

Captain Proton himself: So, you, uh,

855

:

still having flashbacks?

856

:

Having one right now.

857

:

Khaki: Report for

858

:

Kay: Report for immediate reassignment.

859

:

That's a bit

860

:

Khaki: It is, totally.

861

:

But that's, I mean, I guess that's

the whole thing about the series.

862

:

Like, you've got the bridge

crew and the operations.

863

:

They woof around, but they are,

ineffable beings that nobody really,

864

:

who actually does the work, knows

what's going on or what happens.

865

:

They're just, like,

this complete disconnect

866

:

Kay: You are right.

867

:

Which was the spirit of

the namesake of this show.

868

:

Right.

869

:

There was a Star Trek, the Next

Generation episode, lower decks.

870

:

which for the first time, like

focused on just some ENSs, right.

871

:

Who were friends and, and bucking for

promotions and trying to impress like a

872

:

weird sort of demigods like William Riker.

873

:

Like how do you impress him and like,

oh, he seems to hate me, and yes,

874

:

this, this complete sort of lack

of access to people that we are, as

875

:

viewers are intimately familiar with.

876

:

Khaki: Yeah, and who knows, like,

yeah, yeah, they're totally not

877

:

busy with that kind of thing.

878

:

It's like, you know, oh, oh,

crikey, I have to do the, uh,

879

:

Kay: performance reviews, yeah.

880

:

Khaki: they know everything about

the, those people, but they're just

881

:

like, Ah, it's just stuff that needs

to be done and it's, it's just work.

882

:

So, of course, they know who you are.

883

:

they do your performance review.

884

:

Like, they're, they're intimately familiar

with your, uh, achievements and your,

885

:

uh, what your, and your assignments.

886

:

But, yeah, it's like, it's just not on the

same level of, uh, Connection, I guess,

887

:

Kay: Yeah.

888

:

But it's really interesting to discover

889

:

why Sam wants to know so badly.

890

:

Khaki: Right, because he feels guilty.

891

:

Because the security

chief died saving him.

892

:

Captain Proton himself:

Just got to focus on work.

893

:

Come on.

894

:

Focus.

895

:

Rutherford.

896

:

Khaki: Where he hallucinates basically

all the other options when there's like

897

:

a whole, when there's a whole bunch of

Shaqs all around and all of them having

898

:

come back through a different uh, means,

899

:

Kay: That's a Zeef that a lot

of people would, really enjoy.

900

:

He's a good looking man, that Shaks,

and seeing quite so many versions

901

:

of him, I really like the sleeveless

Mirror Universe tunic myself.

902

:

They

903

:

Khaki: I really like the powers of

his body with a tiny Dyson Sphere.

904

:

A microspocopic civilization

brought me back to life.

905

:

Mirror, mirror, mirror.

906

:

In the Nexus, it's always Christmas.

907

:

Kay: Oh God.

908

:

Amazing.

909

:

Criming, all these references in, but

910

:

Khaki: What was the deal with

T'Pol's hair for that one year?

911

:

Kay: That's

912

:

the one I loved.

913

:

even lamp shading their own reference.

914

:

Uh Because I am, I am not someone who

enjoys references for their own sake.

915

:

No, right.

916

:

Uh uh I remember.

917

:

When the probably fantastic film

Ready Player One, came out based

918

:

on a book that I have not read

and it made me so angry because

919

:

references are not a substitute story.

920

:

But, the self referentiality

of this show, in a very meta

921

:

textual way, is kind of the point.

922

:

Star Trek does this to itself all

the time, and sort of Doing it to

923

:

excess, like happens on Lower Decks,

is a form of self parody, still.

924

:

It

925

:

really does.

926

:

Khaki: and take that in contrast with

what they did in the Mandalorian,

927

:

which is chockfull of Star Wars

reference and lore, which is all

928

:

completely irrelevant to the story.

929

:

There's like, for someone like I, I

showed it to my boyfriend who has never

930

:

much seen almost anything of Star Wars,

931

:

Kay: And what you see is an awesome

sort of science fiction spaghetti

932

:

Khaki: exactly.

933

:

And you don't need to know

anything about Star Wars to still

934

:

watch that show and follow it.

935

:

And like, everything, all the reference,

all the background characters,

936

:

everything is like a relation.

937

:

It tells a much bigger

story, which you don't need.

938

:

It's great if you see it

and if you recognize it.

939

:

But you don't miss anything

if you don't get it.

940

:

So that's, kind of like is the other

way to get around the referencing

941

:

for reference's sake, and like, well,

yes, this is a reference it is, and

942

:

if you don't know that, then you don't

understand half the story of the Zipper

943

:

Kay: Yes,

944

:

Khaki: which is bullshit, you know, it's

945

:

Kay: Which does make me think

how is lower deck for someone

946

:

who isn't familiar with Star

947

:

Trek?

948

:

I

949

:

Khaki: I guess, maybe a

little bit trickier, but

950

:

Kay: Or maybe it's sort of like, you

referring to, uh, the Star Wars was really

951

:

interesting because I, I was immediately

thinking about, like, the cantina scene

952

:

in Star Wars Episode IV, A New Hope,

the very first Star Wars that we'd seen.

953

:

It's the very first time that we see,

like, an alien in, in, Star Wars and in

954

:

that movie and it's not just an alien,

it doesn't, it feels like hundreds

955

:

and they're all different and they're

all, it's just an amazing scene.

956

:

Khaki: all had their own action figure.

957

:

Kay: Yeah, and their own

comic, and their own sort of

958

:

Khaki: Well, that came,

that came, that came later.

959

:

Kay: Because Star Wars is

famously the property where chess

960

:

pieces have their own comic.

961

:

They really do!

962

:

But the first time that you see it,

you know none of this, you know?

963

:

And it doesn't matter.

964

:

It doesn't, it just doesn't matter.

965

:

You're just captivated

by, how big this world feels.

966

:

Cocky.

967

:

I'm sorry.

968

:

You made a mistake

mentioning star wars here.

969

:

I have to correct you on this.

970

:

If we refer to the 1977 original

version of star wars before

971

:

any other edits were done.

972

:

Jaw was, and the Tuscan Raiders,

which are arguably their own species,

973

:

potentially not their own species.

974

:

It's a little murky.

975

:

We're still seeing

before the Cantina scene.

976

:

So I'm sorry.

977

:

You're just wrong.

978

:

There.

979

:

You should know better than to bring

up star wars and talk confidently

980

:

because I will correct you on this.

981

:

That is, that is what I do.

982

:

Cocky.

983

:

I'm sorry.

984

:

Khaki: aNd this arc is finally

resolved because he swan dives into

985

:

the elevator with Shaq and he just,

986

:

Captain Proton himself:

I know I'm not supposed

987

:

to ask you

988

:

how you came back from the dead,

989

:

but I know it was my fault

990

:

that you died.

991

:

And maybe if you tell me

992

:

how you came back,

993

:

I won't feel as guilty anymore!

994

:

Turbolift, halt.

995

:

Kay: And, and that's just

really beautiful, like, I,

996

:

I need your help, right?

997

:

I don't want to invade your privacy for

its own sake, just out of curiosity,

998

:

but I, I need this from, you.

999

:

Khaki: fault, that's what he starts with.

:

00:35:21,385 --> 00:35:23,265

And he doesn't explain

why, what, what was the

:

00:35:23,545 --> 00:35:24,735

Kay: he says it was his duty to help.

:

00:35:25,215 --> 00:35:27,496

Khaki: He says it was don't

tell anyone how we came back.

:

00:35:27,506 --> 00:35:30,476

Because it is apparently horrific.

:

00:35:30,956 --> 00:35:31,356

Uh.

:

00:35:31,746 --> 00:35:33,926

Captain Proton himself:

We're sparing you dark truths

:

00:35:33,926 --> 00:35:35,576

about scientific depravity

:

00:35:35,616 --> 00:35:36,706

that would haunt you

:

00:35:36,716 --> 00:35:38,146

for the rest of your days.

:

00:35:38,202 --> 00:35:38,522

Khaki: yes.

:

00:35:38,699 --> 00:35:39,101

Kay: your days.

:

00:35:40,522 --> 00:35:42,162

Once you know, you can never go back.

:

00:35:42,642 --> 00:35:42,842

And

:

00:35:42,842 --> 00:35:43,122

Sam

:

00:35:43,212 --> 00:35:43,422

Khaki: like,

:

00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:44,199

Captain Proton himself: Works for me!

:

00:35:44,249 --> 00:35:45,103

Tell me, tell me!

:

00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:46,149

Khaki: yeah, I'm down with that.

:

00:35:46,539 --> 00:35:47,269

Kay: Works for me!

:

00:35:47,369 --> 00:35:48,249

Tell me, tell me!

:

00:35:48,619 --> 00:35:51,879

Like, so many young people who

really don't really sort of

:

00:35:51,919 --> 00:35:54,179

acknowledge the consequences of

things that they're committing for.

:

00:35:54,179 --> 00:35:55,189

He's so positive!

:

00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:58,999

Khaki: don't really sort of Weird

rant about, like, having to fight

:

00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,099

on the mountains and the faceless

images of your father, and...

:

00:36:02,294 --> 00:36:02,324

Kay: and...

:

00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:02,564

Death

:

00:36:02,564 --> 00:36:05,004

is the first thing that happens Wait,

you know about the black mountain, right?

:

00:36:05,044 --> 00:36:05,244

The

:

00:36:05,399 --> 00:36:08,539

Khaki: about the Black

Mountain, And it just goes...

:

00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:13,097

It's completely lampshaded,

but he is quite about it.

:

00:36:13,345 --> 00:36:13,775

as we see...

:

00:36:13,775 --> 00:36:18,015

He's a bit shaken when we get to the last

scene of the episode where they're, uh...

:

00:36:18,445 --> 00:36:19,365

Where they're all together.

:

00:36:20,185 --> 00:36:24,915

Kay: So, now, much like our Chief Greg,

who talked about a bunch of bullshit

:

00:36:24,915 --> 00:36:28,355

before he got to the point and explained

why he wanted us to watch this episode,

:

00:36:28,595 --> 00:36:31,847

we're getting to the main plot of

this episode, it's the, girl's night,

:

00:36:31,887 --> 00:36:33,197

and they're very positive about it.

:

00:36:33,802 --> 00:36:34,722

Captain Proton himself: girls' trip!

:

00:36:34,742 --> 00:36:35,352

Girls'

:

00:36:35,937 --> 00:36:39,117

Kay: Which, for those of us who are

familiar with certain types of drama

:

00:36:39,147 --> 00:36:42,623

and, comedy, if a relationship that

we're being introduced to starts

:

00:36:42,623 --> 00:36:45,249

really good, it's going to unravel.

:

00:36:45,729 --> 00:36:46,929

Khaki: Very good points, yes.

:

00:36:47,184 --> 00:36:49,274

Kay: off very antagonistic,

they're going to learn

:

00:36:49,439 --> 00:36:51,389

Khaki: They're going to

be best friends, yes.

:

00:36:51,474 --> 00:36:56,229

Kay: that sort of threat of them being

really enthusiastic about going off couple

:

00:36:56,229 --> 00:36:59,739

of girls, that really loomed over this

:

00:36:59,939 --> 00:37:03,599

Khaki: Yeah, so what they're playing

on entirely is that one of them is

:

00:37:03,629 --> 00:37:06,719

constantly hanging out with Rutherford

and the other one is constantly

:

00:37:06,729 --> 00:37:09,619

hanging out with Boimler, yes.

:

00:37:10,049 --> 00:37:12,779

And there's even a little bit of, oh,

I thought you and Boimler were a bit

:

00:37:12,779 --> 00:37:14,689

of a thing, and she's like, eww, no.

:

00:37:15,064 --> 00:37:16,724

Kay: as if, never, didn't I?

:

00:37:16,729 --> 00:37:18,219

Khaki: practically sleep in the same bunk.

:

00:37:18,594 --> 00:37:20,064

Kay: oh, no we don't.

:

00:37:22,384 --> 00:37:25,364

They have to go to this planet,

Qualor IV, I think it was.

:

00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,076

Khaki: have to pick up family

heirloom from the Doctor.

:

00:37:28,676 --> 00:37:30,496

Kay: And it rules.

:

00:37:30,506 --> 00:37:32,036

It's basically Space Vegas.

:

00:37:32,236 --> 00:37:33,706

Do you see there's a giant neon sign for

:

00:37:34,006 --> 00:37:35,676

Khaki: You see there's a I saw that, yep.

:

00:37:35,716 --> 00:37:37,766

And there was something

else that jumped out at me.

:

00:37:38,636 --> 00:37:43,066

I'm pretty sure that, like, the

Zebulon Sisters is also a reference

:

00:37:43,226 --> 00:37:46,466

to something uh, on that...

:

00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:46,546

Zephyrlock?

:

00:37:46,821 --> 00:37:47,061

Kay: Zebulon.

:

00:37:47,151 --> 00:37:49,611

Oh, that feels like a Hitchhiker's Guide

:

00:37:49,986 --> 00:37:50,276

Khaki: Oh,

:

00:37:50,276 --> 00:37:51,536

it might just be, uh,

:

00:37:51,596 --> 00:37:51,946

Kay: chief.

:

00:37:51,946 --> 00:37:52,826

What's Zebulon?

:

00:37:52,906 --> 00:37:54,146

Khaki: No, it does say Zebulon, yes.

:

00:37:54,196 --> 00:37:54,936

No, Zebulon.

:

00:37:55,376 --> 00:37:56,446

Zebulon's, oh.

:

00:37:56,616 --> 00:37:57,166

Kay: belay that.

:

00:37:57,516 --> 00:38:01,057

Khaki: Okay, Zebulon's, there was a

role playing game, which was the the

:

00:38:01,057 --> 00:38:04,817

remake of, oh, it was an old TSR game,

I can't remember, but it was called,

:

00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:05,812

Kay: Chief Standby.

:

00:38:05,812 --> 00:38:06,742

He's Losing Confidence.

:

00:38:06,897 --> 00:38:10,867

Khaki: was called Zebulon's Guides

to Frontier Space, which was a

:

00:38:10,967 --> 00:38:19,836

original it was a redo of a, D&

D like space RPG also by, tSR.

:

00:38:20,346 --> 00:38:23,376

So, and that's what zebu, that's

where, where I definitely know

:

00:38:23,376 --> 00:38:24,486

the word zebulon from Keith.

:

00:38:24,566 --> 00:38:27,026

Kay: Chief, warm up the tractor

beam, we may need to drag him

:

00:38:27,066 --> 00:38:29,566

out of this rabbit hole that he's

:

00:38:29,696 --> 00:38:32,916

Khaki: a lot of, a lot of my high, uh,

my, uh, middle and high school, uh,

:

00:38:32,916 --> 00:38:34,746

time was spent, uh, with those books,

:

00:38:36,666 --> 00:38:37,219

Kay: was spent with those books.

:

00:38:37,219 --> 00:38:37,994

Ooh, I know what you were seeing!

:

00:38:37,994 --> 00:38:38,216

Vic Fontaine!

:

00:38:38,591 --> 00:38:39,251

Khaki: Oh, who's Vic

:

00:38:39,646 --> 00:38:40,016

Kay: Fontaine?

:

00:38:40,016 --> 00:38:40,916

Oh, okay, I guess not.

:

00:38:40,926 --> 00:38:44,244

Vic Fontaine was the sort of Frank

Sinatra like host of the holodeck in

:

00:38:44,254 --> 00:38:45,744

the later seasons of Deep Space Nine.

:

00:38:46,212 --> 00:38:46,449

Khaki: Nine.

:

00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:47,509

Oh yes, I remember him.

:

00:38:47,969 --> 00:38:49,089

I know the character, I didn't know.

:

00:38:49,089 --> 00:38:50,169

I wouldn't have called the reference.

:

00:38:50,784 --> 00:38:52,994

Kay: And Mariner is super

excited about, like,

:

00:38:53,194 --> 00:38:54,284

Captain Proton himself:

Qualor is awesome, by the way.

:

00:38:54,344 --> 00:38:55,154

You can get any drink

:

00:38:55,154 --> 00:38:56,064

in the form of a slushie.

:

00:38:56,174 --> 00:38:56,764

We got to get, like,

:

00:38:56,764 --> 00:38:57,454

five slushies.

:

00:38:58,004 --> 00:39:00,574

Kay: But here, we're already seeing,

like, this rift between them.

:

00:39:00,864 --> 00:39:01,334

Because...

:

00:39:01,693 --> 00:39:05,133

Tendi is very mission focused, she

wants that to succeed, and Mariner

:

00:39:05,153 --> 00:39:06,473

is still very rebellious and,

:

00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,699

Khaki: Yeah, I mean, that's, that's

her character, like, who cares,

:

00:39:09,709 --> 00:39:13,709

I'll be, I'll, I mean, she's, I

won't say she fails upwards, because

:

00:39:13,709 --> 00:39:15,409

she's still an ensign, but she

:

00:39:15,473 --> 00:39:16,398

Kay: very self destructive.

:

00:39:16,549 --> 00:39:19,264

Khaki: Oh, that's, absolutely, but that's

her character arc, you know, she's,

:

00:39:19,274 --> 00:39:22,852

she's like, oh, I'm just the daughter

of the captain, you know, so, whatever.

:

00:39:23,002 --> 00:39:27,112

She, I guess she has this fatalistic

view about, like, whatever I do, it's,

:

00:39:27,122 --> 00:39:31,094

it's gonna be because of my mom, or

something, which is kind of funny because

:

00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:35,034

then she does all kind of rebellious

stupid shit And she kind of gets away

:

00:39:35,034 --> 00:39:39,664

with it not because of her mom I think

it's never really made clear how or what

:

00:39:39,664 --> 00:39:41,661

but Tendi actually Comments on that like

:

00:39:41,683 --> 00:39:42,113

Captain Proton himself: I don't get

:

00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,753

to make mistakes like you do.

:

00:39:43,913 --> 00:39:44,593

It was hard

:

00:39:44,633 --> 00:39:45,613

getting into the Academy.

:

00:39:45,729 --> 00:39:46,419

Kay: as an Orion.

:

00:39:46,424 --> 00:39:47,741

She has some racial biases to

:

00:39:47,826 --> 00:39:48,246

Khaki: That too.

:

00:39:48,276 --> 00:39:48,666

Yes.

:

00:39:48,666 --> 00:39:49,536

Like discovered this.

:

00:39:49,536 --> 00:39:50,046

I mean, yes.

:

00:39:50,046 --> 00:39:53,854

I guess she has to work twice as hard

to, uh, get the same recognition.

:

00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:58,299

Kay: I guess we're seeing their core flaws

here expressed very subtly, honestly,

:

00:39:58,539 --> 00:40:02,499

like Mariner, she acts out until she

meets resistance, because she wants that

:

00:40:02,499 --> 00:40:05,419

resistance, for whatever reason, like

that's how she wants to operate, and

:

00:40:05,419 --> 00:40:07,389

she just escalates until somebody pushes

:

00:40:07,389 --> 00:40:13,928

back, which is a terrible anti pattern,

and Tendi is a pleaser, who hopes that

:

00:40:13,928 --> 00:40:19,404

things will work out and trusts in systems

around her and minimizes her own concerns.

:

00:40:20,229 --> 00:40:22,189

And in this case, that

means going along Mariner.

:

00:40:22,189 --> 00:40:24,609

And it seems fine, you get some

slushies, you have a little fun.

:

00:40:24,704 --> 00:40:28,634

Khaki: And they show up to this

pawn shop, which is tended by a

:

00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:31,134

studly, uh, one of the cat people.

:

00:40:31,234 --> 00:40:31,704

What's the name of their

:

00:40:31,799 --> 00:40:31,974

Kay: what's his name again?

:

00:40:31,974 --> 00:40:32,739

He's, uh, Caitian

:

00:40:32,889 --> 00:40:34,449

is their, is their species.

:

00:40:34,449 --> 00:40:34,759

He's got a

:

00:40:34,759 --> 00:40:35,119

little...

:

00:40:35,164 --> 00:40:37,654

Khaki: a pawn shop, or

like a, I mean, it's not

:

00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,299

Kay: a vest and a, an earring.

:

00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:43,659

Khaki: course he's got an earring, and

he's like, oh, I want this thing, and

:

00:40:43,659 --> 00:40:45,499

they start nerding out a little bit of

:

00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,169

Kay: Klingon Acid Punk.

:

00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,709

Khaki: yeah.

:

00:40:48,739 --> 00:40:48,759

Kay: Yeah.

:

00:40:48,769 --> 00:40:51,859

And this concert that he saw, we

actually had, like, dishonored

:

00:40:51,859 --> 00:40:52,969

Klingons lamenting their failure.

:

00:40:52,969 --> 00:40:54,139

Whoa, that was amazing.

:

00:40:54,139 --> 00:40:55,249

It totally was.

:

00:40:55,339 --> 00:40:55,479

Yeah.

:

00:40:56,314 --> 00:40:57,614

They're really bro ing out.

:

00:40:57,629 --> 00:41:00,175

Khaki: But I'll go get that thing,

so you can see him going on.

:

00:41:00,175 --> 00:41:01,175

And like, and that's where this goes,

:

00:41:01,357 --> 00:41:02,962

Captain Proton himself:

You're into Klingon acid punk?

:

00:41:02,982 --> 00:41:03,482

Are you kidding?

:

00:41:03,632 --> 00:41:04,812

Why even listen to Klingon

:

00:41:04,822 --> 00:41:06,241

if it isn't punky or acidic?

:

00:41:06,423 --> 00:41:08,133

Khaki: Why don't we know

this about each other?

:

00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:11,312

And it's like, yeah, they, kind

of like see themselves as friends.

:

00:41:11,312 --> 00:41:14,292

And then during this episode, they

keep discovering things that they

:

00:41:14,292 --> 00:41:17,672

don't know about each other, which

actually leads to almost antagonism

:

00:41:17,672 --> 00:41:19,522

at some point, especially from Tendi.

:

00:41:19,522 --> 00:41:19,542

It

:

00:41:20,023 --> 00:41:21,853

Captain Proton himself:

You don't know me at all.

:

00:41:21,853 --> 00:41:22,563

- Well, youdon't know me.

:

00:41:23,026 --> 00:41:23,766

-

Khaki: kind of weird, but.

:

00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:27,900

Kay: No, I think it's, I get what

you mean, but I think it's a, it's

:

00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:30,870

a really good sort of, they're

externalizing their own difficulties

:

00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:31,920

communicating with each other.

:

00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:31,980

Yeah.

:

00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:34,650

Like, and blaming someone else for

not knowing them, whereas their

:

00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:35,880

actual problem is that they don't

:

00:41:36,096 --> 00:41:37,196

Khaki: Talk to each other, yeah.

:

00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:37,780

Kay: enough.

:

00:41:38,006 --> 00:41:40,006

Khaki: Well, I mean, this

comes up several times.

:

00:41:40,016 --> 00:41:41,006

I'm like, why don't you know that?

:

00:41:41,016 --> 00:41:42,296

Like, I talk about this all the time.

:

00:41:42,656 --> 00:41:44,386

Yeah, just not to me.

:

00:41:44,416 --> 00:41:49,404

Like, Tendi talks to Rutherford about

it, and, Mariner talks to, uh, Bollinger.

:

00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:50,689

Kay: Boibler.

:

00:41:50,689 --> 00:41:50,699

Uh,

:

00:41:50,854 --> 00:41:51,684

Khaki: Yeah, close enough.

:

00:41:53,609 --> 00:41:55,209

Kay: The package they receive is huge.

:

00:41:55,319 --> 00:41:57,309

It's this giant coffin shaped crate.

:

00:41:57,379 --> 00:41:59,369

Khaki: Yeah, at this point,

I'm like, okay, it's not,

:

00:41:59,435 --> 00:42:00,355

Kay: It's not a flea collar,

:

00:42:00,355 --> 00:42:01,045

Khaki: collar, which I was

:

00:42:01,175 --> 00:42:02,075

Kay: Did you have a backup?

:

00:42:02,195 --> 00:42:02,995

Khaki: I did not, no.

:

00:42:03,685 --> 00:42:05,225

Kay: So they drag it

back onto the shuttle.

:

00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,225

Khaki: We don't have to wait for very

long, because Mariner is, like, curious,

:

00:42:08,225 --> 00:42:11,395

and again, yeah, pushing out, like, until

she meets resistance, as you just said.

:

00:42:11,865 --> 00:42:16,135

And she pops it open, and it's like

some sort of totem, or effigy, which

:

00:42:16,135 --> 00:42:18,975

is, at first not recognized until,

:

00:42:19,025 --> 00:42:22,015

Kay: looks like a Cajun, for

some reason, with pursed lips.

:

00:42:22,605 --> 00:42:26,255

Khaki: kissy lips, yes, well,

we soon learned why it has those

:

00:42:26,275 --> 00:42:27,915

pursed lips, because they have to,

:

00:42:30,085 --> 00:42:30,875

Captain Proton himself: It's not a statue.

:

00:42:30,925 --> 00:42:32,835

It's a Caitian Libido Post.

:

00:42:33,055 --> 00:42:33,725

Libido?

:

00:42:33,755 --> 00:42:34,135

Wait.

:

00:42:34,185 --> 00:42:35,435

Oh, is that a sex thing?

:

00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:36,759

Khaki: yeah, it totally is sexy.

:

00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:38,790

Kay: Oh, look at those claw marks.

:

00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,600

They're like from her horny great grandma.

:

00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:41,010

Oh,

:

00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:41,480

Khaki: yes.

:

00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:44,530

And she's like, oh, I'm

touching it with my bare hands.

:

00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:45,340

It's like touching

:

00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:46,600

Kay: touching Beverly's grandma

:

00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:50,020

Khaki: Yes, oh, absolutely,

yes, very good, yeah.

:

00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:52,330

Kay: It's like, hi, Teddy.

:

00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:53,420

My name's Jeremy.

:

00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,780

I'm an important cultural

sex toy from the past.

:

00:42:57,060 --> 00:42:57,960

Khaki: But, no...

:

00:42:57,995 --> 00:43:01,025

Kay: sort of making him like,

he's probably also, like, this

:

00:43:01,025 --> 00:43:06,035

is an effigy of a counselor from

Deep Space 69 in orbit of Risa.

:

00:43:06,235 --> 00:43:07,495

Hey, I'm Jeremy.

:

00:43:08,225 --> 00:43:09,135

That was my friend.

:

00:43:09,355 --> 00:43:11,685

Stephanie, I think Stephanie was...

:

00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:13,070

Khaki: Stephanie.

:

00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:13,195

a

:

00:43:13,245 --> 00:43:13,835

Kay: sort of counselor.

:

00:43:13,835 --> 00:43:16,105

Yeah, Stephanie, oh, did I have a surname?

:

00:43:16,335 --> 00:43:18,055

I don't think I ever gave Stephanie a...

:

00:43:18,534 --> 00:43:20,424

Cocky, please remember

your own Laura on this.

:

00:43:20,454 --> 00:43:23,424

I don't have to remember the

lore of star by 69 on this.

:

00:43:23,454 --> 00:43:24,894

I really don't.

:

00:43:25,308 --> 00:43:26,368

Kay: Stephanie Chekhov.

:

00:43:26,418 --> 00:43:26,758

Yeah.

:

00:43:26,858 --> 00:43:27,548

how about that?

:

00:43:27,598 --> 00:43:27,788

sort

:

00:43:27,788 --> 00:43:29,238

of landed in the lore.

:

00:43:29,588 --> 00:43:30,778

And this is my bro Jeremy.

:

00:43:30,788 --> 00:43:31,588

He's a Caitian.

:

00:43:31,889 --> 00:43:34,378

he's nude modeling for a libido post.

:

00:43:34,448 --> 00:43:35,688

Khaki: Save it for the deleted scene.

:

00:43:37,598 --> 00:43:39,608

Kay: Okay, yes sir, yes sir.

:

00:43:39,958 --> 00:43:44,608

But in their sort of attempt to delicately

get this priceless artifact back into its

:

00:43:44,648 --> 00:43:47,068

crate, they drop it and the head comes

:

00:43:47,168 --> 00:43:47,938

Khaki: And the head comes off.

:

00:43:47,948 --> 00:43:48,918

And I'm like, oh no, it's like...

:

00:43:49,858 --> 00:43:50,188

Kay: screams!

:

00:43:54,918 --> 00:43:55,968

Good scream.

:

00:43:57,729 --> 00:43:58,149

Captain Proton himself:

Oh, just-just angle it

:

00:43:58,149 --> 00:43:58,295

towards the...

:

00:43:58,295 --> 00:43:58,442

Grab it!

:

00:43:58,442 --> 00:43:58,808

No, no, no, no, no!

:

00:43:58,808 --> 00:43:59,101

- This can't be happening!

:

00:43:59,101 --> 00:43:59,394

- Well, maybe she won't

:

00:43:59,394 --> 00:43:59,467

- notice.

:

00:43:59,467 --> 00:43:59,687

- It's the face!

:

00:43:59,687 --> 00:43:59,760

Dr.

:

00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:00,053

T'Ana's going to know

:

00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:00,346

I violated her trust.

:

00:44:00,419 --> 00:44:00,539

I'm

:

00:44:02,716 --> 00:44:05,111

,

Khaki: no, it's fine, like, I've, wrecked other things before, like,

:

00:44:05,111 --> 00:44:08,929

mechleth was broken and I fixed it

before they even, uh, he even noticed.

:

00:44:09,219 --> 00:44:11,319

This is another one, like, you

were on Deep Space Nine, yes?

:

00:44:11,729 --> 00:44:14,299

This is my fifth ship, like,

technically Deep Space Nine's

:

00:44:14,299 --> 00:44:15,559

not a ship, but, I mean...

:

00:44:15,569 --> 00:44:17,529

Yeah, yep.

:

00:44:21,099 --> 00:44:24,369

well, she says deep space nine, but

you know, and if you, you don't,

:

00:44:24,759 --> 00:44:26,049

oh, actually, was it defiant?

:

00:44:26,054 --> 00:44:27,039

Like ever out on its own?

:

00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,386

It didn't have own, its own command.

:

00:44:28,391 --> 00:44:29,106

It was always like,

:

00:44:29,716 --> 00:44:30,336

Kay: Yeah, I,

:

00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:31,206

Khaki: defiant.

:

00:44:31,446 --> 00:44:33,559

Defiant is more like a,

spruce up shuttle, I guess.

:

00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:33,949

Because

:

00:44:34,179 --> 00:44:36,729

Kay: I was always really confused about

this, because it seems to just sit

:

00:44:36,729 --> 00:44:40,819

around, unless the command crew of the

space station abandons their posts...

:

00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:41,119

Khaki: Yeah.

:

00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:41,899

And goes like.

:

00:44:42,394 --> 00:44:44,524

Fly off and use the Defiant, yes.

:

00:44:45,741 --> 00:44:46,454

doesn't it have

:

00:44:46,629 --> 00:44:48,249

Kay: its own captain and then do local

:

00:44:48,384 --> 00:44:48,866

Khaki: of the

:

00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:49,749

Kay: A lot of the time.

:

00:44:49,831 --> 00:44:53,784

Khaki: ship like that size,

like, should have a commander.

:

00:44:53,784 --> 00:44:56,354

It might just be, like, a

lieutenant commander or something.

:

00:44:56,644 --> 00:44:58,764

full captain commanding it, but, you know,

:

00:44:59,009 --> 00:45:00,089

Kay: weird decisions.

:

00:45:00,356 --> 00:45:01,476

Captain Proton himself: I

know a fixer on Bonestell

:

00:45:01,476 --> 00:45:02,786

who can repair anything.

:

00:45:02,836 --> 00:45:04,106

It's a quick warp, then we'll

:

00:45:04,106 --> 00:45:05,026

head back to the Cerritos

:

00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:06,816

with a nonruined post for T'Ana.

:

00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:10,570

Khaki: But yes, it's gonna take

50 strips of gold plated latinum

:

00:45:10,745 --> 00:45:13,225

Kay: Because he knows

Mariner, and so for you, it's

:

00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:13,810

Khaki: double.

:

00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:14,830

Yeah.

:

00:45:15,185 --> 00:45:15,945

Kay: How are we going to get

:

00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:16,390

Khaki: Mariner?

:

00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:17,950

Well, we're gonna play some dumb Jo

:

00:45:18,362 --> 00:45:19,440

Kay: Kind of a hustle.

:

00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:21,850

Hustle some Nauticans.

:

00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:23,590

A species that we remember.

:

00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,880

They're the ones that,

Captain Picard got into a

:

00:45:25,915 --> 00:45:26,035

Khaki: fight.

:

00:45:26,055 --> 00:45:26,275

Oh.

:

00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,316

Kay: when he was younger.

:

00:45:27,323 --> 00:45:28,023

Captain Proton himself:

We just need to find

:

00:45:28,023 --> 00:45:28,633

the biggest,

:

00:45:28,643 --> 00:45:29,783

dumbest guys in here.

:

00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:32,305

Kay: A bit racist there, but okay.

:

00:45:32,735 --> 00:45:38,375

They're playing Domjot, which,

it's a sort of a pinball pool game.

:

00:45:38,405 --> 00:45:38,975

Yeah, pinball.

:

00:45:39,355 --> 00:45:39,585

Yeah.

:

00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:42,985

Where the, the cue has like a

sheath that you push the spear

:

00:45:43,336 --> 00:45:43,846

Khaki: Yeah.

:

00:45:44,156 --> 00:45:47,676

I guess, I mean, we've, I think Domjot

was introduced in DS9, wasn't it?

:

00:45:47,676 --> 00:45:47,716

Sounds

:

00:45:47,945 --> 00:45:48,455

Kay: Sounds about

:

00:45:48,516 --> 00:45:50,006

Khaki: Yeah, it's like, uh, I mean...

:

00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,929

Kay: In that episode, with, Picard

going back to his younger self,

:

00:45:53,139 --> 00:45:54,099

I think he was playing Dom J.

:

00:45:54,729 --> 00:45:55,299

Chief.

:

00:45:55,601 --> 00:45:55,961

Cocky.

:

00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:57,611

You really need to stop second

guessing yourself here because

:

00:45:57,611 --> 00:45:58,751

you're just undermining yourself.

:

00:45:58,781 --> 00:46:00,671

You've got to be more confident

because you're correct.

:

00:46:00,851 --> 00:46:04,631

The first instance of Dom jock was

in the Jeff's that of top street,

:

00:46:04,631 --> 00:46:09,341

but it did have the most experiences

of anything, or even just mentioned

:

00:46:09,491 --> 00:46:11,831

in DS nine, it was mentioned in.

:

00:46:12,461 --> 00:46:13,301

It looks like.

:

00:46:13,391 --> 00:46:15,761

About six episodes, seven episodes.

:

00:46:15,761 --> 00:46:17,483

So yeah, Really popular in DS nine.

:

00:46:19,247 --> 00:46:22,247

Kay: Every time I think of Nausicaans, I

just think of these Nausicaans, I think

:

00:46:22,247 --> 00:46:26,167

they're in Quark's bar, and they're

playing darts, using each other's chests

:

00:46:26,207 --> 00:46:30,657

as darts portents, throwing darts into

each other's chests, and I'm like, okay.

:

00:46:30,692 --> 00:46:31,552

Khaki: I guess that works.

:

00:46:32,727 --> 00:46:32,997

Kay: of

:

00:46:33,062 --> 00:46:35,732

Khaki: fight breaks out over

the accusing of cheating, even

:

00:46:35,732 --> 00:46:37,212

though they win fair and square.

:

00:46:37,847 --> 00:46:39,796

Kay: Yes, but it's the hustling thing.

:

00:46:39,796 --> 00:46:41,748

Mariner claimed that

this was her first time.

:

00:46:41,948 --> 00:46:42,618

Captain Proton himself: You claimed

:

00:46:42,628 --> 00:46:43,758

you were only a beginner.

:

00:46:44,038 --> 00:46:45,168

Yeah, I'm beginning

:

00:46:45,178 --> 00:46:46,418

to school your ugly ass.

:

00:46:46,568 --> 00:46:47,218

- How dare you!

:

00:46:47,358 --> 00:46:47,668

- Hey!

:

00:46:47,728 --> 00:46:48,478

No fighting.

:

00:46:48,508 --> 00:46:50,058

I just got that table rejotted.

:

00:46:50,774 --> 00:46:53,434

Khaki: I mean, you clearly don't know much

about playing Dumbjot, if you're like,

:

00:46:53,584 --> 00:46:56,374

someone who goes, oh, I'm only a beginner,

let's have a wager, cause like, uh, yeah,

:

00:46:56,424 --> 00:46:58,054

I'm only a beginner too, of course I am.

:

00:46:58,264 --> 00:47:01,019

Like anybody who says that, you know

that you're gonna get hustled, that's...

:

00:47:01,064 --> 00:47:04,344

Kay: Maybe we just have some, like,

really ethical Nauticans here.

:

00:47:04,914 --> 00:47:06,144

Khaki: Okay, maybe they are, yeah.

:

00:47:06,194 --> 00:47:06,514

I don't know.

:

00:47:06,514 --> 00:47:09,426

I don't know enough about to be able

to tell if they were being, uh...

:

00:47:09,716 --> 00:47:10,496

Kay: there's a tell right?

:

00:47:10,526 --> 00:47:12,446

Who stops in no fighting

:

00:47:12,596 --> 00:47:13,426

Khaki: the owner of the bar.

:

00:47:13,736 --> 00:47:15,356

Kay: I just had the table re jotted.

:

00:47:15,556 --> 00:47:15,716

Khaki: Yes.

:

00:47:17,027 --> 00:47:18,336

Which is okay.

:

00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:21,276

Apparently a thing that

you do with Domjot tables.

:

00:47:21,356 --> 00:47:21,476

Kay: well.

:

00:47:22,391 --> 00:47:24,791

You know, you can have it dommed too,

but then you get a different kind of,

:

00:47:25,416 --> 00:47:25,466

Khaki: but

:

00:47:25,521 --> 00:47:25,981

Kay: have been a health

:

00:47:25,981 --> 00:47:26,361

and safety

:

00:47:26,401 --> 00:47:26,606

Khaki: of...

:

00:47:26,606 --> 00:47:28,526

It affects the play, it affects

the play of the servers.

:

00:47:28,576 --> 00:47:31,740

Maybe it's like a bowling alley, they

oil the lanes, you know, so you get

:

00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:34,890

different oil patterns, you get different

effects on the, spin effects on the ball.

:

00:47:35,170 --> 00:47:37,990

So I guess maybe that's what

happens on a domjot table as well.

:

00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,010

Headcanon.

:

00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:38,780

I like it, I

:

00:47:39,175 --> 00:47:40,185

Kay: Like it, I like

:

00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:42,920

Khaki: Uh, latinum at

them and running off.

:

00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:44,310

Because, yes, it like...

:

00:47:45,395 --> 00:47:47,755

You said this comedy of

errors which we had with

:

00:47:48,815 --> 00:47:52,902

the whole affairs of the ship

not recognizing Bollinger.

:

00:47:53,025 --> 00:47:57,996

Kay: there's a really important moment

here where Mariner proposes tendee Mm-Hmm.

:

00:47:58,181 --> 00:48:00,272

As her champion to solve this dispute.

:

00:48:00,542 --> 00:48:03,962

And the ngan, quite racistly says,

no, we don't want that because she's

:

00:48:03,962 --> 00:48:05,702

just going to use her, her pheromones.

:

00:48:06,302 --> 00:48:06,632

Uh,

:

00:48:06,642 --> 00:48:07,802

Khaki: she acts all offended, like

:

00:48:07,982 --> 00:48:09,137

Captain Proton himself: But,

like, could you, you know,

:

00:48:09,137 --> 00:48:10,197

just, like, juice it a bit?

:

00:48:10,217 --> 00:48:10,607

- Just a little?

:

00:48:11,207 --> 00:48:11,477

- Mariner!

:

00:48:11,477 --> 00:48:11,524

Of course not.

:

00:48:11,524 --> 00:48:11,687

I'm not even that kind of Orion.

:

00:48:13,445 --> 00:48:13,645

Kay: little bit,

:

00:48:13,866 --> 00:48:14,416

Khaki: but can you do it

:

00:48:15,129 --> 00:48:18,645

Kay: Which is hugely offensive to Tendi,

because that's a racial stereotype.

:

00:48:18,935 --> 00:48:22,405

She says, I'm not that kind of

Orion, because of course, there

:

00:48:22,405 --> 00:48:24,055

are many different kinds of

:

00:48:24,835 --> 00:48:25,395

Khaki: Speaking

:

00:48:25,425 --> 00:48:29,335

of that same, uh, speciesism that

we get later, cause like, the

:

00:48:29,355 --> 00:48:30,645

next shots, they're in the shuttle

:

00:48:31,735 --> 00:48:32,795

Captain Proton himself:

the hell are you, Ensign?

:

00:48:32,805 --> 00:48:33,415

My fur feels

:

00:48:33,415 --> 00:48:34,585

like it's covered in poison.

:

00:48:34,802 --> 00:48:38,752

Khaki: but the statue is still, uh,

broken, and they're like, oh, this was

:

00:48:38,752 --> 00:48:42,272

supposed to be my chance, and like, I

mean, now I'm trying to show that we're

:

00:48:42,272 --> 00:48:45,862

not just like thieves and pirates,

but, oh, wait, like, I've got a cousin

:

00:48:45,872 --> 00:48:50,152

who, uh, works at a thief and pirate

outpost, where we can, uh, like, uh,

:

00:48:51,256 --> 00:48:52,126

Captain Proton himself:

A lot of humans think

:

00:48:52,126 --> 00:48:53,256

we're all thieves and pirates.

:

00:48:54,256 --> 00:48:54,806

Wait.

:

00:48:55,586 --> 00:48:56,256

My cousin works

:

00:48:56,256 --> 00:48:56,936

in a thieves' den

:

00:48:56,936 --> 00:48:57,836

in a pirate outpost

:

00:48:57,836 --> 00:48:58,936

in this sector He might be able

:

00:48:58,936 --> 00:48:59,396

to help us out.

:

00:49:00,092 --> 00:49:01,642

-

Kay: Stereotypes do have an origin.

:

00:49:01,962 --> 00:49:03,952

Doesn't make them any more valuable.

:

00:49:04,356 --> 00:49:06,056

And that's the next place that they go.

:

00:49:06,056 --> 00:49:07,497

But it's going to be difficult Mariner.

:

00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:10,899

Because these Orions would

probably kill her just for being

:

00:49:11,142 --> 00:49:11,612

Khaki: Yeah, so

:

00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:12,839

Kay: Tendi has a plan though.

:

00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:16,704

Khaki: quick little makeover, she

gets hyposprayed with something

:

00:49:16,704 --> 00:49:17,964

which turns her skin green.

:

00:49:18,229 --> 00:49:20,939

Kay: Yep she gets basically green faced,

:

00:49:20,984 --> 00:49:21,314

Khaki: Yes.

:

00:49:21,825 --> 00:49:21,845

Captain Proton himself: know!

:

00:49:21,845 --> 00:49:23,005

Honestly, this feels wrong.

:

00:49:23,025 --> 00:49:23,845

I mean, just please don't take

:

00:49:23,845 --> 00:49:24,675

any pictures of me.

:

00:49:24,846 --> 00:49:24,996

Kay: this

:

00:49:24,996 --> 00:49:25,166

is

:

00:49:25,326 --> 00:49:25,616

Khaki: Yeah.

:

00:49:26,466 --> 00:49:28,076

Kay: this is really not Okay.

:

00:49:28,677 --> 00:49:30,897

Khaki: well, the, the whole talk,

like a part thing saying that

:

00:49:30,897 --> 00:49:32,757

was a bit of a bad joke, I guess.

:

00:49:33,537 --> 00:49:34,347

Like, why you talking

:

00:49:34,352 --> 00:49:34,882

Kay: of, uh, to work with, I guess.

:

00:49:34,882 --> 00:49:35,862

I wonder if Tendi was hazing her.

:

00:49:37,015 --> 00:49:37,325

Captain Proton himself: how ye

:

00:49:37,395 --> 00:49:39,645

be doing today, me fellow Orion?

:

00:49:39,685 --> 00:49:41,325

Uh, why are you talking

:

00:49:41,325 --> 00:49:41,805

like that?

:

00:49:41,838 --> 00:49:43,333

-

Khaki: And she immediately starts.

:

00:49:43,441 --> 00:49:45,781

big dogging Dom and her cousin.

:

00:49:46,456 --> 00:49:50,985

Kay: Yes, this hot, bearded,

muscular sort of smith looking

:

00:49:50,985 --> 00:49:52,937

that Mariner is immediately

:

00:49:53,112 --> 00:49:53,562

Khaki: into.

:

00:49:53,647 --> 00:49:53,907

Kay: Yeah.

:

00:49:53,997 --> 00:49:55,477

Uh, and we can totally see why.

:

00:49:55,905 --> 00:49:56,965

Captain Proton himself:

Tendi, you got to warn me

:

00:49:57,045 --> 00:49:57,975

if we're gonna be meeting up

:

00:49:57,975 --> 00:49:59,355

with a sexy bad boy.

:

00:49:59,355 --> 00:50:00,115

That's my type.

:

00:50:00,115 --> 00:50:00,835

Well, one of my types.

:

00:50:01,263 --> 00:50:03,723

Kay: But yeah, Tendi shows a side

of herself that, that we don't know

:

00:50:03,723 --> 00:50:05,799

about and a side of, Orion culture.

:

00:50:06,129 --> 00:50:08,738

Extremely dominant, extremely, demanding,

:

00:50:08,921 --> 00:50:09,128

Khaki: Yeah.

:

00:50:09,128 --> 00:50:11,128

Mariner's low.

:

00:50:14,338 --> 00:50:16,128

I don't go by that name anymore.

:

00:50:16,508 --> 00:50:20,058

I left that, that's a name I

left long behind a long time ago.

:

00:50:20,083 --> 00:50:20,503

Kay: we is

:

00:50:23,513 --> 00:50:25,323

Khaki: That's where we learn

that she's actually, her name is

:

00:50:25,323 --> 00:50:29,023

Divana, which again is like causes

a bit of a back and forth thing.

:

00:50:30,015 --> 00:50:30,025

Captain Proton himself: D'Vana"?

:

00:50:30,025 --> 00:50:30,805

Is that some other

:

00:50:30,805 --> 00:50:32,155

weird title you've got?

:

00:50:32,445 --> 00:50:33,685

It's my name.

:

00:50:34,695 --> 00:50:35,165

- Oh.

:

00:50:35,215 --> 00:50:35,435

- What,

:

00:50:35,435 --> 00:50:36,135

you don't even know

:

00:50:36,205 --> 00:50:37,195

my first name?

:

00:50:37,615 --> 00:50:39,175

I thought it was Tendi,

:

00:50:39,175 --> 00:50:40,175

like, with no last name.

:

00:50:40,185 --> 00:50:40,695

Like Odo.

:

00:50:40,770 --> 00:50:43,430

Khaki: this gets interrupted

by her makeup wearing off.

:

00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:44,650

Kay: Yeah.

:

00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,520

Khaki: false green, grab her.

:

00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:48,000

Kay: screen, full screen,

:

00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:49,450

Uh, which, yeah.

:

00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:52,320

Khaki: a bit of a dork

comedy running around.

:

00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:54,790

Kay: the Oh, a door farce, yes.

:

00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,780

And, and trying to climb

over this angry mob.

:

00:50:57,780 --> 00:50:59,253

Hey, can't you use your dominant voice?

:

00:50:59,253 --> 00:50:59,443

Yeah.

:

00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,093

It doesn't work on mobs.

:

00:51:06,383 --> 00:51:08,464

Which, is the sort of central

conflict between them.

:

00:51:09,114 --> 00:51:10,884

No, it's not a conflict between them.

:

00:51:10,934 --> 00:51:15,664

Each of them is sort of reflecting

their faults on somebody else.

:

00:51:16,194 --> 00:51:17,354

Which is a way for...

:

00:51:17,374 --> 00:51:20,862

A lot of young people, certainly

speaking from my experience, to sort of

:

00:51:20,862 --> 00:51:23,562

discover yourself by first externalizing,

:

00:51:23,842 --> 00:51:24,292

Khaki: Right,

:

00:51:24,672 --> 00:51:27,662

Kay: and then finally realizing, oh wait,

no, actually it's me that was the problem.

:

00:51:27,792 --> 00:51:28,242

Khaki: that

:

00:51:28,545 --> 00:51:30,345

Kay: only there were quicker

ways to get there, huh?

:

00:51:30,397 --> 00:51:30,968

Khaki: ways to get there, huh?

:

00:51:30,969 --> 00:51:35,310

there's a bit of a scene where they

have to get back up to the launch

:

00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:37,270

tower where the shuttle is on top

:

00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:38,620

Kay: Yeah.

:

00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:41,360

Khaki: the mob is down below

trying to cut the cables that

:

00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,004

they're using to, climb up.

:

00:51:43,004 --> 00:51:46,720

There's a moment where she, The

effigy breaks into two pieces

:

00:51:47,038 --> 00:51:51,248

Kay: It just gets worse and

worse with the, uh, um, and

:

00:51:51,248 --> 00:51:52,778

Mariner's, uh, hand slips.

:

00:51:53,198 --> 00:51:56,093

Tendi grabs her, but the weight

of the effigy and Mariner

:

00:51:56,188 --> 00:51:58,238

Khaki: And she actually goes

like, no, take the statue.

:

00:51:58,238 --> 00:52:01,708

She's like, she kind of is

prepared to sacrifice herself

:

00:52:01,718 --> 00:52:03,268

at this point for the, uh...

:

00:52:03,998 --> 00:52:05,688

Kay: An offer that Tendi declines.

:

00:52:05,698 --> 00:52:10,158

She cares much more about saving her

friend from the angry mob below than even

:

00:52:10,168 --> 00:52:14,368

fulfilling the mission and achieving the

approval that she so desperately wants.

:

00:52:14,378 --> 00:52:15,098

Khaki: from the doctor.

:

00:52:15,408 --> 00:52:18,778

The statue gets dropped she gets pulled up

:

00:52:20,057 --> 00:52:22,738

away There's not much

of the thing remaining.

:

00:52:24,121 --> 00:52:24,361

Kay: There's

:

00:52:24,561 --> 00:52:25,551

Khaki: Pull what's left of it.

:

00:52:25,551 --> 00:52:28,821

It's like, it's like there's maybe

less than half of it is still there,

:

00:52:29,701 --> 00:52:34,041

Kay: And now is the time when they

sort of confront, Hey, we went into

:

00:52:34,041 --> 00:52:36,191

this thinking that we were real

good friends, we actually aren't.

:

00:52:37,121 --> 00:52:37,561

Or,

:

00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:37,941

Khaki: actually aren't.

:

00:52:37,941 --> 00:52:38,201

Or, uh,

:

00:52:38,301 --> 00:52:38,671

Kay: weren't.

:

00:52:39,421 --> 00:52:40,861

Captain Proton himself:

Every time I open up,

:

00:52:40,931 --> 00:52:41,831

people get promoted

:

00:52:41,831 --> 00:52:42,571

and take off.

:

00:52:42,761 --> 00:52:43,001

It's better

:

00:52:43,001 --> 00:52:44,411

to just keep it surface level

:

00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:45,431

and never have friends,

:

00:52:45,431 --> 00:52:46,771

instead of always losing them.

:

00:52:47,272 --> 00:52:49,992

Kay: It's a pattern that

she certainly contributed

:

00:52:50,312 --> 00:52:50,342

Khaki: But

:

00:52:50,672 --> 00:52:51,452

Kay: as Mariner.

:

00:52:51,812 --> 00:52:57,742

But she sees like Tendi, this capable,

smart woman who is definitely going

:

00:52:57,752 --> 00:52:59,452

to get promoted out of her life.

:

00:53:00,687 --> 00:53:03,477

And Tendi also, like,

observes for herself,

:

00:53:03,477 --> 00:53:03,917

Captain Proton himself: I'm always so

:

00:53:03,917 --> 00:53:05,177

busy making everyone else happy

:

00:53:05,177 --> 00:53:06,257

that I never open up.

:

00:53:06,587 --> 00:53:07,477

Now you know more about me

:

00:53:07,477 --> 00:53:08,247

than Rutherford does..

:

00:53:08,547 --> 00:53:11,017

Kay: But yeah, that's

not, that's not neglect.

:

00:53:11,952 --> 00:53:13,972

That's just a failure to communicate.

:

00:53:13,972 --> 00:53:14,002

And

:

00:53:14,177 --> 00:53:16,547

Khaki: And I love that line, it's

like, And I was curious and I'll just

:

00:53:16,547 --> 00:53:18,917

have to tell her that I was curious

and accidentally broke her post.

:

00:53:18,937 --> 00:53:20,357

It'll be interesting getting in trouble.

:

00:53:20,517 --> 00:53:21,987

Never done that before, which is like...

:

00:53:24,002 --> 00:53:25,922

Kay: But Mariner has her back.

:

00:53:25,997 --> 00:53:26,577

Khaki: Of course.

:

00:53:26,637 --> 00:53:29,117

Because Mariner always has

a way out of the problem.

:

00:53:29,334 --> 00:53:29,586

Captain Proton himself:

What are you doing?

:

00:53:29,586 --> 00:53:30,037

- Buckle up, D'Vana.

:

00:53:30,322 --> 00:53:31,402

We might have been coworkers

:

00:53:31,402 --> 00:53:32,002

this morning,

:

00:53:32,022 --> 00:53:33,812

but now we're friends!

:

00:53:33,862 --> 00:53:36,022

Computer, ramming speed!

:

00:53:37,141 --> 00:53:37,641

Kay: Grabbing the

:

00:53:37,641 --> 00:53:42,511

shuttle into the Cerritos, which,

bink, bounces off the shield with no

:

00:53:42,706 --> 00:53:43,536

Khaki: Damage report?

:

00:53:43,906 --> 00:53:44,376

Nothing.

:

00:53:44,831 --> 00:53:47,031

Kay: not even negligible, just nothing.

:

00:53:47,061 --> 00:53:50,391

It's such a, boink, it's such a

pointless little little impact.

:

00:53:50,636 --> 00:53:55,836

Khaki: And Mariner, firmly, squarely,

is taking the blame for everything.

:

00:53:56,166 --> 00:53:57,876

Again, knowing that, she's

like, what are they going to do?

:

00:53:57,886 --> 00:53:59,846

Like, they're not going to fire me.

:

00:53:59,846 --> 00:54:02,386

They're not going to demote me because

I can't because I'm Rory Jensen.

:

00:54:02,666 --> 00:54:03,936

Kay: she's like, what are you going to do?

:

00:54:03,936 --> 00:54:04,256

Like, you're not

:

00:54:04,546 --> 00:54:04,836

demote me

:

00:54:04,881 --> 00:54:06,191

Khaki: yeah, blatant lie.

:

00:54:06,201 --> 00:54:07,261

It's like, there was a bee in

:

00:54:07,461 --> 00:54:08,052

Kay: lie.

:

00:54:08,052 --> 00:54:12,191

Like, there was a bee in there.

:

00:54:12,191 --> 00:54:14,557

She produced a bee,

:

00:54:14,871 --> 00:54:15,431

Khaki: and she keeps keeping

up with the bee story.

:

00:54:15,431 --> 00:54:17,451

You should, you should produce the

bee, uh, prosecute the bee, not

:

00:54:17,513 --> 00:54:18,696

Kay: a bee.

:

00:54:20,706 --> 00:54:22,656

Cause yeah, that's how

you get away with things.

:

00:54:23,016 --> 00:54:24,506

Just commit to the lie.

:

00:54:24,536 --> 00:54:26,596

As stupid as it is, just never let up.

:

00:54:28,166 --> 00:54:33,482

But Tendi's still, still going to

admit to Tiana that she did it.

:

00:54:33,512 --> 00:54:36,542

Even though she has, it's

perfectly clear, right?

:

00:54:36,792 --> 00:54:40,437

It was damaged during transit

because of reaction to a bee.

:

00:54:41,272 --> 00:54:42,472

But she doesn't want to take that,

:

00:54:42,702 --> 00:54:43,072

Khaki: that way.

:

00:54:43,072 --> 00:54:43,312

Right.

:

00:54:43,377 --> 00:54:47,577

Also, if it that was the true story, then

all the pieces would be in that box and

:

00:54:47,577 --> 00:54:50,997

not just like less than half of it, but

:

00:54:51,794 --> 00:54:52,064

Captain Proton himself: I don't care

:

00:54:52,064 --> 00:54:53,064

about that old post.

:

00:54:53,144 --> 00:54:54,884

What I needed was the box.

:

00:54:57,111 --> 00:54:58,981

Kay: tips it out, this priceless

:

00:54:59,401 --> 00:54:59,461

Khaki: Yeah.

:

00:55:00,301 --> 00:55:01,316

Well we heir.

:

00:55:02,286 --> 00:55:02,556

Eight

:

00:55:03,311 --> 00:55:07,201

Kay: tips it all out, and then

she just sits in the box, pokes

:

00:55:07,201 --> 00:55:09,077

her head out, enormous eyes.

:

00:55:09,077 --> 00:55:10,296

Khaki: pushes the lid open.

:

00:55:10,296 --> 00:55:12,066

And here you can see the

fact that she's got a tail.

:

00:55:12,156 --> 00:55:12,546

Uh

:

00:55:14,761 --> 00:55:17,891

Kay: Because, yeah, that was the

therapeutic value that she was, uh,

:

00:55:17,921 --> 00:55:18,061

she

:

00:55:18,176 --> 00:55:19,371

Khaki: needed, she needed some box time.

:

00:55:19,481 --> 00:55:19,771

Yeah.

:

00:55:19,946 --> 00:55:22,826

Like you can't, you can't

just replicate the box.

:

00:55:22,826 --> 00:55:24,956

You know, you can't just like

any old box, it has to be

:

00:55:25,491 --> 00:55:27,741

Kay: that special box, yes.

:

00:55:30,341 --> 00:55:32,451

And now everyone's back

together in the brig.

:

00:55:33,791 --> 00:55:35,474

Hanging out with an imprisoned mariner.

:

00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:38,649

Khaki: And talking a little

bit about Klingon Acid Punk.

:

00:55:39,924 --> 00:55:41,794

Kay: A proud Boimler

walks through the door.

:

00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:43,011

Captain Proton himself: Check it out.

:

00:55:43,031 --> 00:55:43,961

No more glitch.

:

00:55:43,991 --> 00:55:45,281

I'm authorized!

:

00:55:45,301 --> 00:55:45,398

Did

:

00:55:45,751 --> 00:55:48,448

Khaki: And he's off to have

drinkies with Paris, and hopefully

:

00:55:48,448 --> 00:55:49,674

he still gets his plate signed.

:

00:55:50,844 --> 00:55:54,264

Kay: And the only one who isn't really

connecting, well Boimler because of

:

00:55:54,264 --> 00:55:57,564

his concussion, but Rutherford is

sitting there knowing dark truths

:

00:55:57,654 --> 00:55:59,754

Khaki: Yes, he knows, now

knowing those horrible, horrible

:

00:55:59,764 --> 00:56:01,094

things happen to good people.

:

00:56:02,694 --> 00:56:06,844

And she, and she's like, oh boo, and like,

completely dismissed by Mariner, and like,

:

00:56:07,234 --> 00:56:10,774

Rutherford's just sitting there like,

kind of like shrinking in on himself.

:

00:56:13,864 --> 00:56:13,974

Kay: Maybe

:

00:56:14,219 --> 00:56:14,324

Khaki: it's...

:

00:56:14,419 --> 00:56:16,039

Captain Proton himself: Or

maybe they're just sparing us

:

00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:16,519

from knowing

:

00:56:16,589 --> 00:56:18,079

horrible, horrible things

:

00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:19,659

that-that happen to good people.

:

00:56:19,819 --> 00:56:20,889

Yea, it definitely isn't that.

:

00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:21,589

They're just jerks

:

00:56:23,739 --> 00:56:24,079

Khaki: Oh,

:

00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:24,199

Kay: a

:

00:56:28,329 --> 00:56:29,629

Khaki: but I've got this cool sound here.

:

00:56:29,629 --> 00:56:32,169

This one's about a Klingon

who eats his own hand.

:

00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,999

I mean, I thought it said, like,

it should have been a Klingon who

:

00:56:34,999 --> 00:56:36,349

eats his own head, but that's, uh...

:

00:56:37,409 --> 00:56:38,409

Kay: And that's a reference to what?

:

00:56:39,539 --> 00:56:39,929

Khaki: Eh, nothing

:

00:56:40,379 --> 00:56:42,009

Kay: How do you eat your own head though?

:

00:56:42,249 --> 00:56:43,649

Khaki: How do you eat your own head, a Zen

:

00:56:43,969 --> 00:56:45,299

Kay: Oh, is that a zen con?

:

00:56:45,469 --> 00:56:46,039

Khaki: I guess.

:

00:56:46,734 --> 00:56:50,024

I think it's a Charles Stross thing

that occasionally pops up in his

:

00:56:50,024 --> 00:56:53,034

books, where it's like, never eat

anything bigger than your own head.

:

00:56:53,364 --> 00:56:55,564

It's like advice that keeps

popping up occasionally.

:

00:56:55,854 --> 00:56:56,494

Kay: That's solid

:

00:56:56,734 --> 00:56:56,804

Khaki: That's solid advice.

:

00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:57,364

I know, right?

:

00:56:57,434 --> 00:56:57,764

It's...

:

00:56:59,274 --> 00:57:03,799

And, like, okay, to be honest, like,

We now know of the existence of

:

00:57:03,849 --> 00:57:08,556

Klingon Acid Punk, which to me sounds

so much worse than Klingon Opera.

:

00:57:09,173 --> 00:57:09,213

Kay: I mean,

:

00:57:11,063 --> 00:57:13,253

Khaki: I mean, okay, so, I mean,

Klingon Opera is the kind of thing,

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like, like a friend of mine once

said, like, I thought that, like,

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Wagner was a little bit too bombastic,

so now I listen to Klingon Opera.

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It's...

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Kay: You know, there has been a

performance of a Klingon opera called Oe,

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and it was in the Netherlands actually.

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Yeah, some Klingonists down south,

and was actually a concert hall.

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I think they only had like

two or three performances.

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Khaki: That

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Kay: That would have been worth it.

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Khaki: Yes, I suppose.

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I mean, depends on, was it an

original or was it an adaptation?

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Kay: Well, they're all, hey,

it's a made up thing, right?

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Someone wrote it.

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Khaki: Right, but, I mean, was

it, like, something like the, the,

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the, the, I mean, I don't think, I

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Kay: Oh, oh,

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Khaki: think Shakespeare

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00:57:52,413 --> 00:57:53,682

Klingon La Traviata.

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No, no, yeah, What would be a good

opera to, I mean, Wagner is, like,

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the obvious choice, and therefore

you shouldn't go with it, so you need

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00:57:59,583 --> 00:58:00,983

to get some more sort of, I mean,

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Kay: I kind of want to go PDQ Bach.

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Khaki: Oh, well, that's, that's not opera.

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Kay: The, hang on.

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Khaki: Is it?

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Kay: It fulfills all the requirements.

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PDQ Bach, the fictional creation of a

music, uh, theorist, like pretending

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00:58:12,971 --> 00:58:18,093

to be the like the lost works of, uh,

Johann Sebastian Bach, like 18th and

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00:58:18,093 --> 00:58:22,743

least popular son who grew up in the

German town of Barden, Barden Barden.

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00:58:26,383 --> 00:58:30,583

Who is famous for operas like

Romeo and Juliet and Bob and Ethel.

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Khaki: But, no, seriously, I mean, like,

for Klingon opera, like, something like,

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Othello's an opera, that's based on, uh.

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Kay: a play, man.

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Khaki: Othello's a play,

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Kay: Yeah, there's no

singing in Shakespeare.

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There's singing in opera.

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Khaki: then, then, then maybe

something like, uh, the, the, the,

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00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:49,270

Barber, the, that's Wagner again.

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00:58:50,525 --> 00:58:52,925

that's, I mean, that's too obvious,

so, so maybe something like

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00:58:53,075 --> 00:58:54,815

the Barbara of Avila, you know,

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00:58:55,604 --> 00:58:55,805

bud.

:

00:58:55,895 --> 00:58:56,285

I know.

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00:58:56,285 --> 00:58:57,005

That's why it makes it

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00:58:57,090 --> 00:58:57,950

Kay: Cleon comedy!

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00:58:59,860 --> 00:59:04,538

I mean, okay, in the original sort of

Greek sense drama, like, a comedy was

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00:59:04,538 --> 00:59:07,708

just a play in which not everyone dies

versus a tragedy, which is a play where

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00:59:07,813 --> 00:59:08,563

Khaki: everyone dies.

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00:59:08,563 --> 00:59:08,923

Yes.

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00:59:09,898 --> 00:59:11,408

Kay: Oh, what would

make a good Cleon opera?

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00:59:11,408 --> 00:59:11,738

What would they

:

00:59:11,953 --> 00:59:12,613

Khaki: I know.

:

00:59:13,093 --> 00:59:15,923

I mean, okay, the Tauberflöte

would probably not be very

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00:59:16,003 --> 00:59:16,923

Kay: Magic Flutes?

:

00:59:17,253 --> 00:59:18,383

Khaki: I mean, okay, uh, hang on,

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00:59:18,473 --> 00:59:20,573

Kay: Hey, wait, the Lion King!

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00:59:21,223 --> 00:59:23,033

Khaki: That's Hamlet in opera, yeah.

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00:59:23,203 --> 00:59:24,573

Kay: basically Hamlet with songs.

:

00:59:24,593 --> 00:59:25,443

Khaki: Yeah, and lions.

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00:59:25,633 --> 00:59:27,103

Kay: Yeah, they totally dig it.

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00:59:27,123 --> 00:59:28,733

And the Hyena, Without Honor.

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00:59:29,163 --> 00:59:30,813

Khaki: Don Quixote would be a good, uh,

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00:59:31,407 --> 00:59:33,147

Kay: Ooh, that's a

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00:59:33,287 --> 00:59:34,117

Khaki: opera, yeah.

:

00:59:34,493 --> 00:59:37,443

Kay: he's on a noble

quest, like, he's doomed.

:

00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:39,373

Oh, this is an

:

00:59:39,588 --> 00:59:42,342

Khaki: got that scene where his

father shows up from the dead.

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00:59:42,362 --> 00:59:43,072

It's like, uh,

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00:59:43,197 --> 00:59:43,857

Kay: whoa.

:

00:59:43,857 --> 00:59:44,337

Yes, there's a

:

00:59:44,612 --> 00:59:45,862

Khaki: Don Quixote would be a great,

:

00:59:45,901 --> 00:59:47,181

opera to see in Klingon, I think.

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00:59:48,121 --> 00:59:50,101

Kay: I think Central Panza

should be played by a Vulcan.

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00:59:50,101 --> 00:59:53,026

Then Thank you.

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00:59:53,726 --> 00:59:54,246

Khaki: segment,

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00:59:56,081 --> 00:59:56,861

Kay: New segment.

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00:59:56,861 --> 00:59:57,401

New segment.

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00:59:57,401 --> 00:59:58,661

We'll see what happens with it.

:

00:59:58,941 --> 01:00:04,766

But in the meantime, do you have any

deleted scenes that you believe were shot?

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01:00:04,986 --> 01:00:06,936

And then cut From this episode?

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01:00:11,790 --> 01:00:15,200

Khaki: uh, on the, Orion, uh, outpost,

Murderers and Thieves, where they

:

01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,440

actually had a smith guy coming in

and taking like, oh, well, yes, this

:

01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,030

is like, like, I can't fix this.

:

01:00:21,050 --> 01:00:21,740

And it's like, why not?

:

01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:24,330

It's like, I mean, like, I'm a

metal worker here, I can't do that.

:

01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:28,350

But I've got a buddy out back who's like

a woodturner and who's now, who, who

:

01:00:28,350 --> 01:00:31,610

can I, like, and then I've got this big,

like, big log of wood that they have

:

01:00:31,610 --> 01:00:33,050

to, like, like, turn into this thing.

:

01:00:33,050 --> 01:00:35,760

And it's, It just basically

turns into this kind of like

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01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:37,940

profile thing, kind of like

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01:00:38,474 --> 01:00:38,839

Kay: the

:

01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,280

Khaki: a vase, but a profile

of the doll, because like, you

:

01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,270

know, it's a carved statue, you

can't like turn that on a lathe.

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01:00:44,540 --> 01:00:44,680

So

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01:00:44,705 --> 01:00:47,465

Kay: Right, okay, yes, he

has a rudimentary lathe, yes.

:

01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:48,368

Khaki: yes, it's a rudimentary lathe.

:

01:00:48,368 --> 01:00:51,440

And it's kind of, you can see those

pursed lips sticking out there, and

:

01:00:51,515 --> 01:00:52,826

Kay: and it's kind of,

:

01:00:52,890 --> 01:00:54,560

Khaki: of looks like a weird

Greco column, and the guy's

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01:00:54,570 --> 01:00:55,570

like, nah, she's never gonna buy

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01:00:55,777 --> 01:00:59,383

Kay: a collar, and you're like,

nah, she's never gonna buy this.

:

01:00:59,383 --> 01:01:01,625

That's, that's so obscure

and specific, dude.

:

01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:06,690

Yeah, I think mine's gonna be that

maybe a lot of people here have

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01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:08,490

had a rotation on Starbase 69.

:

01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:08,760

Dude.

:

01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,020

So you had Jeremy, who, who, who

posed nude for a life cast for

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01:01:13,035 --> 01:01:13,075

Khaki: dude.

:

01:01:13,075 --> 01:01:14,665

Jeremy, Oh, yeah, it's Jeremy.

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01:01:15,110 --> 01:01:15,756

Kay: oh, totally.

:

01:01:15,761 --> 01:01:19,664

And the sort of jock who wanted

to carry Boer in in the bridal

:

01:01:19,844 --> 01:01:24,124

Khaki: I know, it's just like, it's one

of those family heirloom is like one

:

01:01:24,124 --> 01:01:28,204

of those statues that they have on Ryza,

but then for the, uh, it's, it's, it's,

:

01:01:29,474 --> 01:01:30,574

yes, exactly.

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01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:35,639

Kay: Oh, that would be fantastic.

:

01:01:35,929 --> 01:01:39,869

Well and that's it for an episode

full of box action, which has

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01:01:39,939 --> 01:01:41,379

really a lot going for it.

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01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:42,229

But which...

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01:01:42,339 --> 01:01:45,339

Our chief engineer, Greg, only wanted

to watch because he could super relate

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01:01:45,339 --> 01:01:47,149

to it, because he also has a cat.

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01:01:47,479 --> 01:01:49,659

BD 1, Barnabas Denzel

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01:01:49,834 --> 01:01:49,844

Khaki: 1.

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01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:53,359

Kay: Who's a little void boy, and

he's absolutely wonderful from

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01:01:53,369 --> 01:01:54,419

everything that I've seen of him.

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01:01:58,559 --> 01:01:58,579

got him.

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01:01:58,579 --> 01:01:58,949

Aww.

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01:01:59,949 --> 01:02:03,259

Except like, his taste in toys is

like, he, he disdains the wonderful

:

01:02:03,269 --> 01:02:06,429

things that, uh, his father

purchases for him and acquires in

:

01:02:06,429 --> 01:02:07,629

order to enrich his little life.

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01:02:07,689 --> 01:02:08,809

Khaki: But will sit in the box.

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01:02:09,329 --> 01:02:09,619

Yes,

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01:02:09,913 --> 01:02:10,584

Kay: he wants to sit in the box.

:

01:02:10,704 --> 01:02:15,514

He wants to play with Chief, I think

his favorite toy is like grape twigs.

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01:02:15,799 --> 01:02:16,309

Khaki: Oh,

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01:02:18,663 --> 01:02:23,144

Kay: Yeah, and Kay, much like, uh,

your little Pipster over there, Pip, or

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01:02:23,154 --> 01:02:24,864

The Defendant, as I like to call her.

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01:02:25,099 --> 01:02:25,519

Khaki: kind of toilet paper

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01:02:27,288 --> 01:02:29,079

wadded up into a little bowl.

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01:02:29,284 --> 01:02:31,374

Kay: Yeah, she goes nuts

over that, all over the

:

01:02:31,629 --> 01:02:32,939

Khaki: She actually brings them back.

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01:02:32,939 --> 01:02:34,349

Like, we can play fetch with those.

:

01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:37,739

I'll just, like, toss them out and she'll

bat them around the room for a little bit.

:

01:02:37,779 --> 01:02:39,849

Then she picks it up in her

mouth and, like, comes walking

:

01:02:39,849 --> 01:02:41,959

over and then carefully take it.

:

01:02:41,959 --> 01:02:44,729

There's very little no

take only throw with that.

:

01:02:45,184 --> 01:02:46,004

Kay: Oh, yeah, yeah,

:

01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:48,839

Khaki: you take it and then you throw

it away and then she goes off again.

:

01:02:48,869 --> 01:02:51,139

And it's like, so yes,

playing fetch with the cat.

:

01:02:51,464 --> 01:02:54,204

Kay: Aw, she's such a good cat

and I can see her over your

:

01:02:54,204 --> 01:02:55,454

shoulder just sitting in jail.

:

01:02:55,464 --> 01:02:56,144

She's got one...

:

01:02:56,379 --> 01:02:59,509

Khaki: been sulking, she's like,

we put her in jail because, yes.

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01:02:59,514 --> 01:03:01,334

Kay: facing away but she's got

her ears tilted toward her.

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01:03:01,334 --> 01:03:03,474

So we'll give her a little

playtime as a reward for...

:

01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,389

Finally being absent for a bit.

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01:03:05,469 --> 01:03:06,349

Khaki: You know what I'm gonna do?

:

01:03:06,759 --> 01:03:07,479

Kay: Oh, tell me.

:

01:03:07,529 --> 01:03:08,529

Khaki: I'm leaving Starfleet.

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01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:10,299

Kay: ENERGIZE!

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01:03:12,095 --> 01:03:13,595

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The Joy of Trek
Every Star Trek story is somebody's favorite, and that might as well be us!
Two lifelong besties (and their trusty engineer) adventure through the vast constellations of Star Trek's decades on TV, especially the lesser-loved stories.

But instead of bitching about why they’re bad, we’re going to find the joy in each of them, because everybody loves the great episodes, but it takes dedication, insight, and hard-working fools to love the clunkers too.

And by Jove, we are those fools!

Positive, inclusive and optimistic (though not uncritical!) we try to find the brilliance even in the least-loved episodes of our favorite TV shows!